Marsha, DMB has his own agenda (and style of ridicule), in particular in this context defending scientific rationality against anti-intellectual attacks from the right, and spurious god / religion / theology arguments. There are millions of people in that debate right now - my lone voice in support of enlightened rationality will not be missed.
I'm focussed on making science better (in whatever small ways I can) ... better understand itself and its relation to the mythos ... so that it doesn't fall into the idolatrous trap of absolute intellectual superiority like any two-bit religion. (In doing so, I do risk appearing not to support the first argument .... but nothing could be further from the truth.) If I wrote so dmb could understand me, I think our differences would be purely tactical - choosing our battlegrounds. Standing by for DMB's ridicule. Ian On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Geez, someone criticized Hawking in this forum and was soundly ridiculed > by dmb? I have watched all the Hawking dvd programs available; one more > to go. Find it important to know where I am pointing my skepticism. - > It's > interesting story-telling. Once upon a time there was singularity... > > Wallace's book was great! - I can only change myself, which may be the > best way to assist social change. When in public I _try_ to spread good > cheer. > > > Marsha > > > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > > Agreed. Hawking (media superstar) is part of the problem of current day > > science, all he can do is deepen the hole it's in. > > > > Science will rise to its true position if it winds back 80 years or so. > The > > problem with science now is that it is (in its own mind and in public > > consciousness and media generally) too exalted. Unfortunately, to be > called > > scientific is to be praised - hallelujah. Idolatry in action. > > > > But - let's try and do something about it - do as we would be done by. > > Look at the specific scientific error in the big bang stuff (I provided > 10 > > or more links) ... and use it as an example to spread awareness of the > > problem. > > > > Ian > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Sorry. I meant science. It will take much more than > >> Hawking hawking its theories to resurrect science to > >> an exalted position. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Marsha, > >>> > >>> The Wallace book, I've heard of, but ... > >>> > >>> Resurrect "it" - what's "it" ? > >>> Whose comments on what programme ? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Ian > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Ian, > >>>> > >>>> The Wallace book 'Choosing Reality' was enlightening. It will take > >>>> much more than a Hawking to resurrect it. It's hard to keep from > >>>> laughing at his program comments. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Marsha > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> If science is right it appears Copernicus was right all along, and > the > >>>> Earth > >>>>> really is the centre of the universe. > >>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589 > >>>>> (Clue - science is wrong - shock, horror ;-o ) > >>>>> > >>>>> Ian > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>> Archives: > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
