Stanley Hauerwas .... is US top theologian .... hence the irony ? http://stanleyhauerwas.blogspot.com/
Very interesting discussion with him on the BBC on Monday. http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3582 Ian On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:45 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I do not know who Stanley Hauerwas is. > > Oh I was teasing this morning. Kind of... I have grown to respect > your position more and more. It is a middle way. Maybe not what I > always appreciate in the moment; I may snarl, but it is often the best > choice. > > I don't suppose some know how very happy I am to be in this forum. > I have no where else to go to talk of these matters. I consider myself > to be extremely fortunate. - Even my snarling skills have improved. > > Be well Ian. > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >> That Marsha, is why I often say (sincerely) that I think you do really get >> it. >> >> You (like all of us) often bring an "attitude" to the particular >> arguments with particular individuals on MD .... which gets you lashed >> and ridiculed too. >> >> I my case the "attitude" would appear to be "cute" or "smart-ass" or >> "superior & knowing" ;-) We all have our cross to bear, but in general >> (with one lone exception) I believe (trust) we are all sincere. >> >> But that's only my opinion. BTW did you see the Stanley Hauerwas joke ? >> "When Bush came to power I concluded he was sincere about his >> Christian faith. I also concluded it showed how little sincerity had >> to do with Christianity." >> >> Ian >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Ian, >>> >>> I see the hope in the enigma, that science is beyond "making sense." >>> It might be a time for a paradigm shift in thinking. There's hints and >>> hope. >>> I love the quantum micro and macro, though. It's all very exciting as >>> scientists >>> become entangled in their own beliefs. >>> >>> There does seem to be a false dichotomy in the air: objective science OR >>> subjective god. That's why I love and respect the MoQ and Buddhism.. >>> There's a better/middle way. And why I go on about reification/som. Break >>> that habit and you have a whole new and improved game to play. But, as >>> I've read and know first-hand, it is a hard habit to break. imho. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>> >>>> Marsha, >>>> >>>> DMB has his own agenda (and style of ridicule), in particular in this >>>> context defending scientific rationality against anti-intellectual attacks >>>> from the right, and spurious god / religion / theology arguments. There are >>>> millions of people in that debate right now - my lone voice in support of >>>> enlightened rationality will not be missed. >>>> >>>> I'm focussed on making science better (in whatever small ways I can) ... >>>> better understand itself and its relation to the mythos ... so that it >>>> doesn't fall into the idolatrous trap of absolute intellectual superiority >>>> like any two-bit religion. (In doing so, I do risk appearing not to support >>>> the first argument .... but nothing could be further from the truth.) >>>> >>>> If I wrote so dmb could understand me, I think our differences would be >>>> purely tactical - choosing our battlegrounds. >>>> >>>> Standing by for DMB's ridicule. >>>> Ian >>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Geez, someone criticized Hawking in this forum and was soundly ridiculed >>>>> by dmb? I have watched all the Hawking dvd programs available; one more >>>>> to go. Find it important to know where I am pointing my skepticism. - >>>>> It's >>>>> interesting story-telling. Once upon a time there was singularity... >>>>> >>>>> Wallace's book was great! - I can only change myself, which may be the >>>>> best way to assist social change. When in public I _try_ to spread good >>>>> cheer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:21 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. Hawking (media superstar) is part of the problem of current day >>>>>> science, all he can do is deepen the hole it's in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Science will rise to its true position if it winds back 80 years or so. >>>>> The >>>>>> problem with science now is that it is (in its own mind and in public >>>>>> consciousness and media generally) too exalted. Unfortunately, to be >>>>> called >>>>>> scientific is to be praised - hallelujah. Idolatry in action. >>>>>> >>>>>> But - let's try and do something about it - do as we would be done by. >>>>>> Look at the specific scientific error in the big bang stuff (I provided >>>>> 10 >>>>>> or more links) ... and use it as an example to spread awareness of the >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:05 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry. I meant science. It will take much more than >>>>>>> Hawking hawking its theories to resurrect science to >>>>>>> an exalted position. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Wallace book, I've heard of, but ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Resurrect "it" - what's "it" ? >>>>>>>> Whose comments on what programme ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Wallace book 'Choosing Reality' was enlightening. It will take >>>>>>>>> much more than a Hawking to resurrect it. It's hard to keep from >>>>>>>>> laughing at his program comments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If science is right it appears Copernicus was right all along, and >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Earth >>>>>>>>>> really is the centre of the universe. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.psybertron.org/?p=3589 >>>>>>>>>> (Clue - science is wrong - shock, horror ;-o ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
