On Feb 12, 2011, at 2:06 AM, [email protected] wrote: > [John] >> the underlying matrix of > understanding is formed by the common experience of a common environment. > > "If language is to be a means of communication there must be agreement not > only in > definitions but also (queer as this may sound) in judgements." > (Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations, 242.) > > http://people.su.se/~kgl/Wittgenstein%20and%20Davidson.pdf > > [Mark] >> I think that there is fallacy in considering the societal level to be >> the sum of individual levels. > > Very good. Otherwise, bee society would be on the MoQ 3rd level. > > [Mark} >> As individuals we exist in the biological level (or organic, whatever). > > IMHO all 4 levels are integrated in a human individual. >> >> >> [Mark] >> A collection of individuals synergistically form the societal level which >> goes by its own >> consciousness. This is similar to the cells making up our consciousness. >> As such, we are speaking of group consciousness, not individual desires all >> summed >> up and fought over in a political way. Such values are not within the >> domain of the >> individual, although he does provide basis for them, in the same way our >> cells >> provides the basis for our consciousness. > > IMHO this analogy obscures more than it enlightens. It would be like saying > a lion moves > thru the savanna just like a bishop moves around a chessboard. The kind of > mistake > the lion could make (e.g., falling in a tar pit or scaring off its prey) is > of a different kind than > a bishop could make (e.g., by moving off its diagonal). > It is not clear how individual brain cells create consciousness (the "hard > problem" of > consciousness), but it isn't the way individuals create "group consciousness". > Craig
Hi Craig, I do no think there is any certainty that consciousness can be constrained to the brain; a correlation seems obvious, but beyond that is the unknown. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
