What an anti-moqish idea, Craig, But societies don't have purposes of their own. They have only the purposes > we give them. >
John: And illogical to boot. For if you examine this "we", whiteman, you'll see that you're talking about... (tah-dah) Society. Craig: > Cells do have purposes of their own & they don't give us our purpose. We > don't surmise > the 2nd & 3rd level, we are intertwined with them. > > John: Well, I'm a great fan of intertwinement, wherever I can find it. so I can't dispute you there. > [Mark] > > we have no idea what the societal or intellectual consciousness is > knowing. > > Craig: > But we do--we just take a poll of its members. > > John: Well, wrong again. Once again you need to look at your "we". (your "wee" we - heheh) But societal or intellectual consciousness has designated spokesmen which are the ones who collate the poll results and speak for the social or intellectual patterns in question. So it is certainly not a matter of simply collating the individuals opinions. > [Mark} > > The intellectual level has a purpose > > of its own and we are as incapable of understanding it, as the > > intellectual level is incapable at understanding us. These are true > > levels, not just extensions of the human mind. > > If you see a human as integrating all 4 levels, you can avoid these > conclusions. > Craig > John: I'm as big a fan of "integration" as I am "entwinement" so in the end, I pretty much agree with you there. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
