[Craig, previously]
> But societies don't have purposes of their own. They have only the
> purposes we give them.

[John]
> if you examine this "we" you'll see that you're talking about Society.

Examined, but not seen.
Societies have the purposes societies give them is non-explanatory.
So we should stick with: societies have the purposes its members
give them. 

[Mark]
> we have no idea what the societal or intellectual consciousness is
> knowing.
 
[Craig]
> But we do--we just take a poll of its members.

[John]
> But societal or intellectual consciousness has designated
> spokesmen

In cases where this is true, that just reduces the number of
members which must be polled. In no case is there anything
other than polling members. 
Craig
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