[Marsha] > I do not think there is any certainty that consciousness can be constrained > to the brain; > a correlation seems obvious, but beyond that is the unknown.
We don't have any reason to think a dead brain has any consciousness, anymore than a chair does. What more (if anything) a live brain needs to be conscious is as yet unknown, but someday probably won't be. [Mark] > A single human cannot be a societal or an intellectual level. Of course, but a human cannot be an organic/biological 2nd level either. [Mark] > Such things [a societal or an intellectual level] are outside and have > purposes of their own. > We can, however, surmise that such levels exist. But societies don't have purposes of their own. They have only the purposes we give them. Cells do have purposes of their own & they don't give us our purpose. We don't surmise the 2nd & 3rd level, we are intertwined with them. [Mark] > we have no idea what the societal or intellectual consciousness is knowing. But we do--we just take a poll of its members. [Mark} > The intellectual level has a purpose > of its own and we are as incapable of understanding it, as the > intellectual level is incapable at understanding us. These are true > levels, not just extensions of the human mind. If you see a human as integrating all 4 levels, you can avoid these conclusions. Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
