[John]
The point I was trying to make, Arlo, is that according to the normal
vernacular, quality IS an adjective that can be applied to certain things.
[Arlo]
Right, and if you want someone to understand a MOQ, you need to
explain to them that this is "wrong". You impede understanding by
saying "this is the wrong way to look at this, but keep using the
word this way if you want".
[John]
Why must there only be one, orthodox approach? Many fingers; one moon.
[Arlo]
Who said anything about "orthodox"? What, did you and Marsha forget
your anti-paranoia meds this morning? Seriously. Jeez.
First you accuse me of promoting an "esoteric, secret language", then
when I challenge that your response is to accuse me of pushing a
singular "orthodox" approach to understanding. I assume Marsha's
moronic "tyrannical German" and "Orwellian" and "though police" are
not far behind.
[John]
Because we start from the plain understanding of "quality" that
everybody knows.
[Arlo]
Which is based in a western s/o worldview that a MOQ argues against.
[John]
"Are you teaching Quality?" wasn't a mystic or esoteric question for
Phaedrus at the start of his journey.
[Arlo]
No it wasn't, it was a plain english question that problematized
Pirsig's "common sense" view of Quality. It was this question that
caused him to abandon that "common sense" view and articulate an
answer that was radically different from the "common sense" meaning
everyone else was using.
[John]
Well in football, as well as in life, it's possible to gain a great
deal of ground without actually getting anywhere.
[Arlo]
So you are saying that the phrase "backward progress" would be
acceptable to you? Would you then say there is such a think as
"forward regress"? The problem here is that the "common sense" view
is that "progress" simply means movement, when in fact it means
"movement, as towards a goal", or "forward movement".
Richard Lederer tells a great story about a sign on his campus that
reads "No Trespassing Without Permission". When he tried to explain
that "by definition the act of trespassing is committed without
permission", he was met only with "polite smiles". "Now more than
twenty-five years later, the signs still stand and so do their
messages. Unauthorized visitors are still required to obtain
permission before they trespass on our grounds." (The Miracle of Language)
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