I agree with all of that Arlo. Your 5 line summary of the MoQ is as good a plain English statement as I've heard.
Your conclusion is important ... far from being esoteric or obscurantist, the fact that MoQish expressions may "problematize" established common sense expressions is indeed the point. It is common sense as she is known that is wrong. Ian On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> wrote: > [John] > I agree Arlo. But all the weight of the endeavor falls upon "when > articulated". And when I articulate, I'm trying to be understood, in plain > terms of common understanding. ... So what is it that we all experience, and > even describe to one another as a "quality experience". By this, we mean a > "good" experience. > > [Arlo] > I know what you *mean*, but by framing it this way you are certainly *not* > helping the person you are talking to understand why a MOQ is a > revolutionary, and better, way to think about the cosmos. > > I don't know why for you its not "plain english" to simply say something > like, "Our western approach has been historically based on a subject-object > metaphysics, and our language reveals that. Within a MOQ, this worldview is > reversed, so that Quality precedes subjects and objects, it is not something > 'objective' nor is it something 'subjective'. A MOQ says that Quality *is* > experience, so a phrase like "quality experience" is not only unnecessarily > redundant, but mistakenly adheres to the subject-object view that "quality" > is an adjective that can be applied to certain 'things'." > > How would something like this not be "plain english"? How is something like > this "esoteric" or cryptic or evidencing a "secret language"? > > Of course, I also refuse to use phrases like "free gift" and when people use > it I ask them if they normal charge people for their gifts. And a few > seasons back while watching a football game with a friend we heard the > announcer say something about the runner's "forward progress". I made a > comment about that ("is there any other kind?"), and my friend to this day > says he can't hear that phrase without thinking how wrong it is. > > Sometimes the best thing we can do for people is "problematize" their > "common understanding"... > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
