On May 14, 2011, at 12:32 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>
> dmb said to Marsha:
> ...The problem is that your definitions defy logic, dictionaries and Pirsig's
> text. How could your definitions be any worse? I honestly can't imagine how
> they could be any more confused. ...In the last sentence, for example, you
> describe static patterns as stable AND ever-changing. That's like saying
> stable structures are fluid, which is exactly what they are not. That's not
> my definition. That's just what the words mean. That's what they meant before
> you and I were born. That's how Pirsig and other english speakers use the
> term. But apparently you're just not capable of understanding or meeting the
> most basic requirements of communication.
>
> Marsha replied to dmb:
> They make sense to me.
>
> dmb says:
> Again, the criticism is that your definitions defy logic, dictionaries and
> Pirsig's text.
Marsha:
Your opinion... I am trying to enlarge and improve my understanding of the
MoQ.
> dmb:
> You have never successfully responded to the substance of that complaint.
Marsha:
It's opinion.
> dmb:
> You only ever retreat into solipsism, mysticism, feminism or otherwise think
> up some bullshit reason to avoid responsibility for your own thoughts and
> actions.
Marsha:
More ad hominemery.
> dmb:
> And your standard of intelligibility is making sense to yourself? Wow.
Marsha:
I sure wouldn't use you as a standard.
> You really don't see how idiotic that is?
Marsha:
Attack, attack, attack.
> dmb:
> Making up your own definitions of english words is like printing your own
> money. You can do it but you'll soon discover how worthless it is when you
> try to spend it anywhere.
> Or try going into a store with a five-dollar bill and explain to the clerk
> that you define "five" to mean "a hundred". See, money only works as a medium
> of exchange when we co-operate as to its meaning and value and you are hack
> counterfeiter. Your definitions are as valid as a wooden nickel and only a
> fool would take your bogus coins.
Marsha:
Hyperbole and finger-wagging, but no substance.
> dmb:
> As anyone with a dictionary can see, "static" is a term contrasted with and
> opposed to the term "dynamic" and vice versa. As anyone with a copy of Lila
> can see, "static" and "dynamic" are similarly contrasted and opposed within
> the MOQ. Your apparently inability to grasp such basic concepts is actually
> pretty bizarre. Do you really not understand that language is a collective
> property? Do you really not see how communication is utterly destroyed by
> altering whatever meanings and definitions you like?
Marsha:
Hyperbole and nonsense...
> dmb:
> This pattern of behavior goes way beyond dumb. It's crazy.
Marsha:
More ad hominemery. (Like the word? It's easy to write, and near impossible
to pronounce.)
> static |ˈstatik|adjective1 lacking in movement, action, or change, esp. in a
> way viewed as undesirable or uninteresting : demand has grown in what was a
> fairly static market | the whole ballet appeared too static.• Computing (of a
> process or variable) not able to be changed during a set period, for example,
> while a program is running.2 Physics concerned with bodies at rest or forces
> in equilibrium. Often contrasted with dynamic .
>
> dynamic |dīˈnamik|adjective1 (of a process or system) characterized by
> constant change, activity, or progress : a dynamic economy.• (of a person)
> positive in attitude and full of energy and new ideas : she's dynamic and
> determined.• (of a thing) stimulating development or progress : the dynamic
> forces of nature.• Physics of or relating to forces producing motion. Often
> contrasted with static .• Linguistics (of a verb) expressing an action,
> activity, event, or process. Contrasted with stative .
Marsha:
Didn't you learn your lesson with demanding the standard seven-word dictionary
definition for 'reify'? Then suddenly on February 19th, you finally
acknowledge a broader meaning.
---
Like to remind you: the motorcycle that is to be worked on is YOURSELF. Do
you have you work done?
Marsha
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