\ Hello John, > > Marsha: > Dynamic Quality? At which point, there is no-thing to know, and no one to >> know it. - It is static quality that you know, which includes the tenant >> of the MoQ. >> >> > John: > See, this is the exact part I am disputing. Just because the self or the > other has no independent existence, does not mean the same as it has NO > existence.
Marsha: I agree. I've never suggested that patterns have NO existence. Patterns of value are processes: impermanent, interdependent, ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend to persist and change in a stable, predictable pattern. > John: > I plainly have existence! Marsha: Nor have I stated that the self does NOT exist. The self is a flow of ever-changing, interdependent, impermanent inorganic, biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value. > John: > As I've pointed out before. DQ being indefinable is not the same as DQ > being "no-thing". Marsha: For me DQ is non-dualistic. DQ is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable; there is no-thing to know and no one to know it. I am not saying DQ either exists or does not exist. > John: > What it seems to me, is > that you've fallen in thrall to intellectualism - because something can't be > pinned down intellectually, that does not mean it's not real. I believe > that is the whole trap of intellectualism, which Phaedrus overcame when he > thrashed rationality. Perhaps you have a hard time with this idea because > all the intellectual wranglin' that goes on around here makes it seem as if > there's no way around intellect. I believe this idea of yours, and Bo's for > that matter, needs to be re-examined in the light of the dualistic nature of > the 4th level. Marsha: I have never said patterns were unreal or did not exist; they are conventionally real. That would be intellectual patterns, and inorganic, biological and social pattern conventionally exist. --- I am glad to hear your Mac to working properly. The trip to NYC has been postponed until Thursday. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
