Howdy Joe --
Hi Ham and all,
Discrimination follows our perceptions, evolution. Emotions precede
ideas! Emotions are indefinable perception. Just react! Freedom
demands perceptions beyond static concepts.
The value of indefinable DQ as perception does not rest in conceptual
conversation, but rather is the reality of free will, I want to do it. I
do, precedes the action right and wrong, true or false!
The source of that activity is indefinable! Attention must be focused to
look at it from another perspective. Culture, education! The horse pulls
the cart, or not! The horse is an analog for indefinable emotions. In a
sentient being the origin for a motive force is always indefinable,
freewill. DQ/SQ
Joe, you seem to be suggesting that the "experience" which RMP claims is the
"leading edge of reality" is actually emotion. I have always referred to
"pre-intellectual experience" as Sensibility -- specifically sensibility to
Value. I call it "sensibility" because it's primary to experience. We
don't experience anything without first differentiating essential Value into
relative values which become the emotional, esthetic, and judgmental
attributes of objective reality.
In other words, we create (actualize) Value as representative "beingness".
And, because we all experience these aspects of objective reality
differently, each worldview is cast in the hues and forms of its own
proprietary value-sensibility. That is part and parcel of the "free
self/free will" principle
I think it's a copout to dismiss sensibility as "indefinable" simply because
of its emotional nature. Love, admiration, and beauty are indefinable, too;
but they are derived from a real Source that philosophy can't afford to
ignore. Pirsig went no farther than assigning Quality (Value) to
existential reality. He didn't want to be viewed as fostering religion or
"supernaturalism" by positing a Creator or Primary Source. That's a shame,
because his Quality is only as "real" as we can experience it in existence,
whereas the essence of metaphysics is what is beyond existence.
We may be incapable of defining the Source, but it would be foolish to
conclude that
an evolutionary universe produces valuistic perceptions and emotions What
does existence EVOLVE FROM?
Anyway, that's what I see as the challenge of philosophy.
Essentially speaking,
Ham
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On 8/18/11 9:19 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
Indefinable levels mean nothing to me unless I try to define them,
and then they take on the properties of my imagination.
<snip>
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