BZZZZ Is that worth one of your dangling fish that I jump through hoops for?
Mark On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:29 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > You bet it's worth a peanut! > > > How about: > > There once was a bee that sat on a wall, > it said bzzzz, and that is all. > > > > Marsha > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 1:09 PM, 118 wrote: > >> Marsha, >> >> There was a young man who said tho' >> It seems that I know that I know >> What I would like to see >> Is the "I" that knows me >> When I know that I know that I know >> >> Zen >> >> That is worth at least a peanut >> >> Mark >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:05 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Would you like another potato chip? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:03 PM, 118 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Joe, Ham, Marsha, perhaps Ron, Arlo and whomever else is stuck in >>>> this two dimensional web, >>>> >>>> Let's stick to logic for a second, for this is how philosophy works. >>>> Let's not get caught up in semantic misdirection and consider what we >>>> can logically create. >>>> >>>> When Joe speaks of emotions, he gets caught up in a self-referential >>>> circle. He defines emotions as indefinable. Why are they >>>> indefinable? Because they are emotions! I am not sure how far this >>>> logic will take one. Logic is structure, it is something we build on >>>> assumptions. Such structures can stretch to the stars, or down to the >>>> atom. We always begin in the middle of these. >>>> >>>> Emotions, or as Ham prefers, pre-Rational sentiments, create >>>> definitions. So we logically begin with "that which creates >>>> definitions". Our assumption is therefore that there is something >>>> which results in definitions and start the logical process. We can >>>> call this assumption anything we like. >>>> >>>> From this assumption, we can logically work our way up into high level >>>> math, or down into mystical realities. We can define such results as >>>> Illusions, Delusions, Fantasy, Creativity, Evolution, Devolution, etc. >>>> Let us assume that all these things are what we have. So I will >>>> simplify all those words into one: Reality. Therefore in the first >>>> instance, we have "that which creates Reality". I am of course >>>> referring to our individual realities, or as Ham would state, our >>>> "sensibilities". >>>> >>>> While I enjoy reading Ham's reflections on what he sees, I do not >>>> agree with his assumption that "man is the measure of all things". I >>>> would say that "all things are the measure of man". By this, I mean >>>> that man operates within a world that is provided him. Man's >>>> measurements are simply a byproduct of existing measurements. Man >>>> harnesses these things and uses them for his own good. He cannot >>>> create them. >>>> >>>> I am not sure who started this thread, but the nature of the subject >>>> title seems to point to Marsha. The "agent" I would assume is similar >>>> to Ham's agent. I did not have the time to read the quotes that >>>> Marsha provided since I am more interested in personal contributions, >>>> and I do not need to read another interpretation of the Diamond Sutra >>>> written in English. I will say, however, that I disagree that the >>>> Self can create thoughts or action. I therefore prefer Ham's >>>> "witness". If somebody can demonstrate to me a logical or causal >>>> connection between the Self (our unique personal awareness), and >>>> thoughts (the action of the brain), I would most appreciate it. For >>>> example, what is the mechanism by which the Self creates thoughts? >>>> Where does this First Action lie? >>>> >>>> Best regards, I enjoy the posts. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
