You bet it's worth a peanut!
How about: There once was a bee that sat on a wall, it said bzzzz, and that is all. Marsha On Aug 21, 2011, at 1:09 PM, 118 wrote: > Marsha, > > There was a young man who said tho' > It seems that I know that I know > What I would like to see > Is the "I" that knows me > When I know that I know that I know > > Zen > > That is worth at least a peanut > > Mark > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:05 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> Would you like another potato chip? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:03 PM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Hi Joe, Ham, Marsha, perhaps Ron, Arlo and whomever else is stuck in >>> this two dimensional web, >>> >>> Let's stick to logic for a second, for this is how philosophy works. >>> Let's not get caught up in semantic misdirection and consider what we >>> can logically create. >>> >>> When Joe speaks of emotions, he gets caught up in a self-referential >>> circle. He defines emotions as indefinable. Why are they >>> indefinable? Because they are emotions! I am not sure how far this >>> logic will take one. Logic is structure, it is something we build on >>> assumptions. Such structures can stretch to the stars, or down to the >>> atom. We always begin in the middle of these. >>> >>> Emotions, or as Ham prefers, pre-Rational sentiments, create >>> definitions. So we logically begin with "that which creates >>> definitions". Our assumption is therefore that there is something >>> which results in definitions and start the logical process. We can >>> call this assumption anything we like. >>> >>> From this assumption, we can logically work our way up into high level >>> math, or down into mystical realities. We can define such results as >>> Illusions, Delusions, Fantasy, Creativity, Evolution, Devolution, etc. >>> Let us assume that all these things are what we have. So I will >>> simplify all those words into one: Reality. Therefore in the first >>> instance, we have "that which creates Reality". I am of course >>> referring to our individual realities, or as Ham would state, our >>> "sensibilities". >>> >>> While I enjoy reading Ham's reflections on what he sees, I do not >>> agree with his assumption that "man is the measure of all things". I >>> would say that "all things are the measure of man". By this, I mean >>> that man operates within a world that is provided him. Man's >>> measurements are simply a byproduct of existing measurements. Man >>> harnesses these things and uses them for his own good. He cannot >>> create them. >>> >>> I am not sure who started this thread, but the nature of the subject >>> title seems to point to Marsha. The "agent" I would assume is similar >>> to Ham's agent. I did not have the time to read the quotes that >>> Marsha provided since I am more interested in personal contributions, >>> and I do not need to read another interpretation of the Diamond Sutra >>> written in English. I will say, however, that I disagree that the >>> Self can create thoughts or action. I therefore prefer Ham's >>> "witness". If somebody can demonstrate to me a logical or causal >>> connection between the Self (our unique personal awareness), and >>> thoughts (the action of the brain), I would most appreciate it. For >>> example, what is the mechanism by which the Self creates thoughts? >>> Where does this First Action lie? >>> >>> Best regards, I enjoy the posts. >>> >>> Mark >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
