Hi Joe, Forget I said faith since that word carries all sorts of baggage. Instead I will say that logic is based on assumptions that we cannot prove. Yes, assumptions not faith. Many assumptions we never question, I don't know why. I guess they just seem right and so we create logic and intellect based on that emotion.
Tell me one intellectual premise that isn't a definition that you know to be true, and I will show you the emotional assumption. Sure, water is wet, only because we define it as such. Babies come from women, because that is how we are taught. How do you know that babies cannot come from men? It is all the creation of intellectual ghosts. Cheers, Mark On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark and All, > > "The Intellectual and the logical is ultimately based on faith." I guess > Metaphysics is faith based? Am I sentient (free will) and not just > logically determined if I ignore logic? Different functions! > > You are confusing. I accept the individuality I possess from my Mom and > Dad. Is my individuality faith based? > > Evolution and Faith have a past history! I prefer logic for the study of > evolution. Faith is a separate discipline for making decisions beyond the > purview of logic. Is the perception of evolution faith-based? > > Consciousness like in decision-making is indefinable and complicated. Are > you proposing that freewill is faith based and not a separate function from > intellectual perception? I accept Faith in an intellectual standoff when a > necessary decision is barred by not resolving contradictions. Faith and > reason are not coextensive. Faith stands apart from reason. Different > origins. Free-will decisions are not faith based by necessity. Logic fits > in there somewhere. I'll eat when I'm hungry, I'll drink when I'm thirsty, > and if whiskey don't kill me I'll live til I die. > > > Joe > > > On 11/6/11 1:32 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The reason I >> bring this up is to propose that the intellectual is based on the >> emotional (as you use it). I would not go so far as to say that such >> hierarchy is at all the same as the DQ/sq split, which may be a >> disagreement between us. The intellectual and the logical is >> ultimately based on faith. If we reduce any logical argument to the >> components (and sub-components) which make it up, we have to rely on >> faith in terms of the premises. This brings in the "emotional" as you >> use it. That we thing something is right or makes sense is based on >> how we feel about it. We then use the intellect and logic to justify >> that feeling in hindsight. For example, avoiding death and suffering >> is Good. To justify that feeling, we have to resort to intellectual >> theories such as Evolution and survival. However, avoiding death and >> suffering is much more substantive than that. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
