Hi, Perhaps because it sets you free. It does me. Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark
On Dec 26, 2011, at 2:50 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > And why, Mark, I am so fond, at the end of the day, of remembering 'Not this, > not that.' > > > Marsha > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 24, 2011, at 11:48 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> What we know is what we create. If I do not know then I can not create. >> The metaphysical split of Quality is fine with me as a presentation, it is a >> personal relationship with what one sees as other. I am simply questioning >> whether to see everything as patterns is a sufficient relationship. >> >> I can not "tell" you the way things "are", if that is what you are asking. >> I can only present other doors for understanding. That is what my posts to >> you are about. I have been trying to do so through rhetoric, but you will >> not be aware of them until you open the doors. All I can provide are keys, >> what you do with them is up to you. >> >> If I provide you with a dogmatic answer as to what really is, it is like >> telling you how to ride a bike. It is nothing like actually riding a bike. >> You are not "wrong" with your presentation, since it is what you create. We >> create things with the tools and keys we pick up along the way. >> >> Regardless, have a happy Christmas. >> >> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >> Mark >> >> On Dec 24, 2011, at 1:32 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> By the way, the definition of self that I present includes both static >>> quality and Dynamic Quality. Are you proposing to convince me of something >>> else besides Quality(Dynamic/static)? I would like you to explain what >>> that might be. But, of course, you can confess that you do not know... >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:30 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> Yes I can dig it. You are much more than a collection of patterns. I >>>> can't convince you of that, I know. It will take somebody near and dear >>>> to you to do that. Ever tried a medium? >>>> >>>> All the best, you deserve it! >>>> >>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 10:42 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> I believe that the “self” is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally >>>>> co-dependent and impermanent, static patterns of inorganic, biological, >>>>> social and intellectual value in the infinite field of Dynamic Quality. >>>>> And I really dig that DQ. You can believe that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 23, 2011, at 1:19 AM, 118 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Marsha, the opposite of a pattern is you. Believe in yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 7:37 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuukka, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, I do not understand what you are presenting. I do not >>>>>>> have a familiarity with the terms as you are using them. I understand >>>>>>> we all might find different aspects of the MoQ important, and may >>>>>>> approach that interest from different points-of-view. Broadly, I tend >>>>>>> to want to consider a pattern from a position of its opposite. That >>>>>>> allows for the widest range of possibilities for individual instances >>>>>>> and the most dynamic point-of-view. But that's just my opinion. >>>>>>> Bottomline, for me, is that Reality = Experience(patterned >>>>>>> experience/unpatterned experience). I think to categorize patterns >>>>>>> into the four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure: inorganic, >>>>>>> biological, social and intellectual is brilliant, rational, modern, and >>>>>>> suggests a way to bridge Western science with Eastern wisdom. But this >>>>>>> is only my own perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But that's enough of me repeating my point-of-view once again, to the >>>>>>> point of ad nauseam some would say. 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