David H quoted Marsha:
"The word 'truth' does not interest me." (18th August) "You might like to classify patterns as truths, but I do not. " (17th August) "I would say that I value the MoQ where the fundamental principle is the idea that the world is nothing but value(Dynamic/static); there is nothing additional called 'truth'." David H commented: As if 'truth' is additional to value? This is the crux of your misunderstanding. Truth can be value and truth is value. Truth, just as everything else, is a part of value. Truth is one of the better things to value in fact. ...You are fighting a 'truth' which has been defeated long ago. Quality first, then truth. There's nothing wrong with truth. In fact, it's very good. dmb says: She likes the idea that the world is nothing but value but then excludes the highest form of static values from that world of values. Ron comments: I think that is a fairly accurate appraisel of the statement: "I would say that I value the MoQ where the fundamental principle is the idea that the world is nothing but value(Dynamic/static); there is nothing additional called 'truth'." Plus the assertion that the MoQ's fundemental principle is being valued as a high quality intellectual pattern IS, in a sense, saying it is being valued as a kind of truth statement. Very contradictory indeed. Now, to say that truth is conditional is one thing but to say that truth is hypothetical on a forum that prizes Pragmatic truth as empirical immediate experience is another, there is nothing hypothetical about jumping off a hot stove. I think Dave H. hit it on the head when he said that what was being fought is a conception of "truth" that is not subscribed to on this forum. Reducing the constant criticisms to superflouse mantric repetative rants against nothing anyone here is argueing for. It renders those types of statements as a form of public shadow boxing and announcing yourself as winner every day. . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
