Awww dmb, How sad you took the Baudelaire/genius quote I presented as anything but poking fun at myself, and poking fun at your constant complaint that I am contradictory. Didn't you see the quote was companied by a smiley-face? I'll try to keep the humor and laughter down in the future.
Marsha On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:00 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marsha said to dmb: > There is no contradiction and nothing for me to defend. > > > dmb says: > If that's what you think, then you do not understand the problem. > Your views are contradictory in several different ways. Your views contradict > the MOQ. Your sentences are often contradictory, usually because your use of > the operative terms is contradictory. > > Your apparent inability to respond or otherwise deal with the substance of > these criticisms also tells me that you do not understand the problem. > > All this is, no doubt, due to your "genius". > > That's okay. At least other people can see what I mean. > > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:42 AM, MarshaV wrote: > >> dmb, >> >> I explained that the quote you presented (see below) was NOT something I >> wrote. That disposed of your mythical contradiction. Besides I didn't >> state that 'truth' was wrong, or bad or didn't exist. I wrote that I find >> the idea of 'truth' insignificant and uninteresting, and preferred to call >> static patterns of value 'patterns' and consider them hypothetical. >> Further, I am not insisting, nor even suggesting, that you, or anyone, adopt >> my position, though I find holding patterns as hypothetical is conducive to >> an open, inquiring mind. I'll once again present the reasons for my choice: >> >> Truth is an intellectual static pattern of value, but I have nothing to say >> about 'truth'. Rather than label static patterns of value as 'truth', I >> prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical. Once >> one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but >> Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the >> natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold >> all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not >> neccesarily real or true.) By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of >> a tendency toward intellectual arrogance. Understanding static (patterned) >> value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and >> makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an >> attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away from thinking >> of entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness. >> >> There is no contradiction and nothing for me to defend. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:12 AM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> Hi dmb, >>> >>>> "I value the MOQ's idea that the world in nothing but value (DQ/sq): there >>>> is nothing additional called static intellectual value." >>> >>> >>> This was not a quote from moi. I wrote: >>> >>> "I value the MoQ's idea that the world is nothing but Value (DQ/sq); there >>> is nothing additional called 'truth'. >>> >>> Truth is an intellectual static pattern of value, but I have nothing to say >>> about 'truth'. Rather than label static patterns of value as 'truth', I >>> prefer to think of objects of knowledge (patterns) as hypothetical. Once >>> one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but >>> Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the >>> natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold >>> all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not >>> neccesarily real or true.) By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less >>> of a tendency toward intellectual arrogance. Understanding static >>> (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what >>> we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it >>> promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away >>> from thinking of entities as existing inherently and independent of >>> consciousness. >>> >>> Static patterns of value are repetitive processes, conditionally >>> co-dependent, impermanent and ever-changing, that pragmatically tend to >>> persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. Within the MoQ, >>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, evolutionary, >>> hierarchical structure: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. >>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns. >>> Patterns have no independent, inherent existence. Further, these patterns >>> pragmatically exist relative to an individual's static pattern of life >>> history. >>> >>> Dynamic Quality is not divisible, not definable and not knowable, though it >>> can be experienced. >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
