Hello everyone On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM, David Morey <[email protected]>wrote:
> Hi Dan > > > You said: > This seems interesting to me in that Robert Pirsig uses his MOQ to marry > idealism and > materialism. > > > DM: Interesting, does he 'marry' them, how does he do that, where do > materialism > and idealism fit into the MOQ? Dan: I think this statement might be helpful: "Yes, it’s clear I’ve been of two minds on whether subjects and objects should be included in the MOQ. My earlier view, when I was concentrating on the confusion of subject-object thinking, was to get rid of them entirely to help clarify things. Later I began to see it’s not necessary to get rid of them because the MOQ can encase them neatly within its structure—the upper two levels being subjective, and the lower two, objective. Still later I saw that the subject-object distinction is very useful for sharply distinguishing between biological and social levels. "If I had been more careful in my editing, I would have eliminated or modified the earlier statements to bring them into agreement with the latter ones. However I missed these and it’s valuable that the Lila Squad has caught them. The main danger to the MOQ from subject/object thinking at present seems to be when it tries in a conventional way to encase values and declare them to be either objects or thoughts. That was the attempt of the professors in Bozeman in ZMM that started this whole MOQ. "At present, I don’t see that the terms “subject” and “object” need to be dropped, as long as we remember they are just levels of value, not expressions of independent scientific reality." [Robert Pirsig, Lila's Child] > I thought materialism and idealism are two offshoots > of SOM, two forms of metaphysics derived from SOM as offshoots, should not > MOQ > philosophy reject idealism and materialism as metaphysical ideas? Do you > see it > otherwise? Just trying to understand your understanding of the MOQ and on > what > justification, reason or values. > Dan: They are useful in their own limited ways. The way I understand it, the MOQ does not reject idealism and materialism but rather encompasses them in a more expansive understanding. Thank you, Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
