Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > If you care about your readers, you should be sorry for any word that might > give them trouble. You will not find words like "dialogism" in Pirsig's > writings. > > [Arlo] > Sorry, I assume people here are are either more read, or know how to use > online > dictionaries.
Yes, by all means, make your readers work to understand you. > [Platt] > Adding the word "individually" points to the fact that you, me, Lila and the > brujo each consist of the four static levels or morality plus the ability to > respond to DQ. If that's S/O dualism, Pirsig is equally guilty. > > [Arlo] > No, he states clearly the collective consciousness unites our minds like cells > in a body. The "individual" is a pragmatic reference point, but does not exist > apart from the patterns of which it emerges. Since it emerges from the > collective consciousness (in part) it is not apart from them. Speaking of the individual Lila Pirsig wrote: "Biologically she's fine, socially she's pretty far down the scale, intellectually she's nowhere. But Dynamically . . . Ah! That's the one to watch." (Lila, 13) Now, what did you say? > [Platt] > The ability to respond to DQ is the normal state of being a human being. > > [Arlo] > Really, so nothing could respond to DQ prior to humans? Or did other things > stop responding to DQ the moment the first human was "created"? My, you certainly read into statements things that aren't there. > All patterns are capable of responding to DQ on their level. Since the "self" > contains the collective consciousness (mythos and logos), it is capable of > responding to DQ on the social and intellectual levels. A dog is capable of > responding to DQ on the biological level. Give me an example of a dog responding to DQ. Howling at the moon perhaps? > [Platt] > As Pirsig made clear, no culture needed for a baby to respond to DQ. She just > does what comes naturally. Later she acquires social/intellectual patterns > (common knowledge) that are "transmitted from generation to generation." > (Lila, > 9) > > [Arlo] > No culture is needed to respond to DQ from a bodily-kinesthetic POV. But "what > comes naturally" on that level does not include participation in social and > intellectual patterns. That comes only after culture. "So and so culture > exists, therefore I think, therefore I am". OK. I get it. Without other people, the individual wouldn't last long. Duh. > I'm skipping your "translations", as all they are attempts to restate what I > said in the language of S/O dualism. I have no interest in that. I guess not since all our language and common understanding is built around S/O dualism. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
