Micah, You miss my point, the crucial "except". I agree with you. The cat (almost certainly) has no self other than one we as humans infer / project onto its behaviour.
Ian On 5/14/07, Micah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian, > > You and Platt have given your cats all the attributes of "self". "Self", > like all concepts, is human and cannot apply to cats or any animals. That > would require a non human point of view (there are no other points of view - > "point of view" itself is a uniquely human concept) and humans can only have > a human point of view, so to know that cats think is an affirmation of > "collective consciousness" (which is not possible because I cannot be anyone > other than me or to quote the great philosopher Popeye - "I am what I am and > that's all I am!"; to assume, which you and Platt are doing, is > anthropomorphization. Aaaaaand we're back! Man is the measure of all things. > > Micah > > > > > <Hi Platt, leaving cat language itself aside, as I suggested ... > > <What the cat can communicate with you is one thing, but I doubt the > <cat has any conception of itself to communicate in any way. Like, I > <doubt your cat could communicate the difference between "I'm hungry" > <and "this similar cat next to me is hungry". > > <You, a relatively intelligent human - relative to your cat that is ;-) > <- infer the cat is talking about itself because it is "talking", and > <the two of you have some learned behaviors. > > <Your cat (my cat too) has all the attributes of self except the > <slightest evidence it can even conveive of it itself, let alone > <communicate it. > > <Ian > > > > > > My cat has all the attributes of a "self" except complex language. But > "himself" > > has no problem communicating his needs to me. > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
