Hi Platt, leaving cat language itself aside, as I suggested ... What the cat can communicate with you is one thing, but I doubt the cat has any conception of itself to communicate in any way. Like, I doubt your cat could communicate the difference between "I'm hungry" and "this similar cat next to me is hungry".
You, a relatively intelligent human - relative to your cat that is ;-) - infer the cat is talking about itself because it is "talking", and the two of you have some learned behaviors. Your cat (my cat too) has all the attributes of self except the slightest evidence it can even conveive of it itself, let alone communicate it. Ian On 5/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Platt, Arlo > > > > [Platt] > > My cat has a self, a very individual, unique self. You don't have to be > > human > > to be a self. A dog's response to a fire is not DQ; it's a static biological > > pattern. > > > > [Arlo] > > I have no idea how you reconcile those two statements. You cat has no > > concept > > of "self", it responds only biologically. It has no culture, and therefore > > it > > does not think, and therefore it has no "I am". > > > > You Platt (a human so far as we can tell) see that your cat has a > > self, "a personality" but there is evidence (in antelope) that Arlo is > > right, in that animals themselves appear to have no useful conception > > of their own self. > > > > Aaah but language, there's the rub ... for another day maybe. > > > > Ian > > My cat has all the attributes of a "self" except complex language. But > "himself" > has no problem communicating his needs to me. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
