Thanks Platt Balance, is fair enough, but in this balance can we not show overall direction as shaped by the point at which that balance rests. The competing agendas push the point of that balance towards or away from either wing and thus steer the course of the evolution of that culture. Right?
So what we have now, is relatively free but also relatively restricted, but in responding to the comment that society's quality has declined, would you not agree that the explosion of a vast indiscriminate and degenerate media is a function of the push towards greater personal freedom and not away from it? You can't honestly think this drift into base doltish-mediafrenzy-cult-of- celebrity-dross has stemmed from the push factors of latent embedded Marxism? Can you? Funny how our usage of language has us calling liberalism something that restricts and conservatism something that frees? Surely if you're in favour of personal freedom so that makes you a liberal right? Whereas if I'm for greater state regulation and order which makes me a conservative? Jos > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 July 2007 15:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality decline > > > Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hi Platt, > > > > Seems that this "decline in quality" has arises as a > product of increased personal > > freedoms, and if you want to engineer society to make it > different from the one > > that freely emerges, then you have to do that with social > controls. > > I dont understand how from a pragmatic standpoint one can > criticise "marxist > > morality" and at the same time criticise the degeneracy of > emergent "free" > > culture. > > > > Do I misunderstand you? > > I disagree with your assertion that we live in an "emergent > free culture." It is > bound on all sides by rules, regulations and taxes. About 30 > percent of personal > income is frittered away on national, state and local taxes > -- hardly what you > call a "free society." Political correctness stifles free > speech, and the liberal > Marxist view dominates the media, the academy and the arts. > It is these Marxist > inspired restrictions on personal freedom I find degenerate. > > The deeper issue that you raise is the age old one of freedom > vs. order. Pirsig > provided us with a new view of this issue with his split of > Dynamic Quality > (freedom) vs. static Quality (order). As he wrote, "Both are needed." > > Platt > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) In case of problems, please > call your organisations IT Helpdesk. > Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, > monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. > > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, > disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are > not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and > inform the sender by return e-mail. > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, > disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are > not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and > inform the sender by return e-mail. > > This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may > be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of > Justice. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, > and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a > responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing > or forwarding e-mails and their contents. > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of Justice. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
