On Friday 13 July 2007 6:08:02 SM Ron writes to Joe; [Ron]
I do not know much of Gurdjieff but that he was mostly a mystic who taught self awareness through spiritual dance. I do know that Timothy Leary was influenced by his work.. If I remember correctly his thought and methods were a grand unification theory of religeon and self enlightenment. as far as mathmatic metaphors, I think I'm still pretty lost, when mysticism meets mathmatics it can tend to mean anything you like. Hi Ron, Unfortunately DQ is indefinable, yet basic to metaphysics. Does metaphysics include mathematics? Yes! Then mathematics in some way has to be understood metaphorically, when used to describe evolution. Four levels of evolution is a metaphor. To put semantics outside of metaphysics is to- mean anything I like. If 1 divided by 0 doesn’t make sense, would you suggest a better metaphor for the boundaries of evolution? As for Gurdjieff, IMO he is his own man as we all are. Joe [Ron] eh? this does sound interesting, please elaborate on how octaves, 6 zeros and Pirsigs 4 levels relate to one another. I'm most interested to hear this. I share Jareds' intrigue.Thanks [Joe] Hi Ron, Jared M, and all, Eh? A scary question! Joe?s mathematics of evolution. I reread Gurdjieff?s chapter ?Heptaparaparshinok in his book All and Everything, and I still can?t follow it, but his methodology of including air, light, the opium plant as examples of a substances that can be divided according to seven steps seems a good approach. I do not know how Pythagoras? harmony of the spheres settles. IMO Dq is undefined, 0. A code of art is realized when the consciousness of the manifestation fits a template. The 1 is a manifestation capable of evolving, the 0 is how I describe DQ by metaphor. In MOQ terms when I divide earth 1 by 0 water, I have a 1 capable of division, and a 0 capable of dividing 1 into organic life which is reproducible by itself, man. When I divide life 1 by water 0 the result is life reproducible with another, woman. When I divide woman 1 by 0 air proprietary awareness (consciousness, social order) is the result. When I divide the social order 1 by 0 fire the intellectual order of law results, and cosmic evolution stops, but conscious evolution continues. 1 intellectual order of law, 0 consciousness, a higher social order evolves. 1 higher social order of?, 0 consciousness, a higher intellectual order. As far as 1 earth can go is enlightenment. IMO [Ron] I do not know much of Gurdjieff but that he was mostly a mystic who taught self awareness through spiritual dance. I do know that Timothy Leary was influenced by his work.. If I remember correctly his thought and methods were a grand unification theory of religeon and self enlightenment. as far as mathmatic metaphors, I think I'm still pretty lost, when mysticism meets mathmatics it can tend to mean anything you like. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
