Simon P. Lucy wrote:

> When all the content posted by non users tells them to go elsewhere 
> and as  I understand it the newserver used will support FAQ 
> redirection, then  there's no room for anyone to be sarcastic.

OK, agreed. If the users newsgroups serve no prupose other than catching 
users and redirect them, I'll all for these groups.

> I don't think they'll get less friendly particularly, the volume will  
> increase, especially if Beonex becomes a milestone binary developer.

My hope is that with increased volume, a user community will form itself.

> Oh, marketeers are very important

I didn't object that. I just say that we have no use for them at 
mozilla.org. (Unless Mitchell Baker maybe, the "talker to suits", who 
encourages useage of Mozilla source code, but I wouldn't call her a 
marketeer.)

> and anyone that provides a channel of  distribution is in marketing, 
> and yes you are. :-) 

*buuhuuuhu*

>> Explain mozilla.org as development *department*, and all falls into 
>> its  place. (Including this discussion, IMO.)
> 
> If it were only a development department it would have ceased long ago. 

?

>>> I think calling them untested weekly builds should scare off the 
>>> casual  user. 
>> 
>> OK, plus hiding them, plus suggesting distributors for "users". That 
>> might  work.
> 
> I'm really against hiding things, (including bugs).  Document things 
> properly, make what is abstruse clear and those that understand choose 
> themselves.

OK.

>>> In other words it can't be  used as a reference build which is the 
>>> one  useful thing a milestone build does.
>> 
> Something to ensure a bug or  behaviour isn't just a particular nuance 
> of a distribution.

Oh, OK. Could be useful, yes. But I suppose distributors could create 
that themselves. I'd really like mozilla.org to refrain from public 
Milestone binaries. (Again: I am biased, of course.)

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