Peter;

You are exactly correct.

Frankly I wish mozilla would simply be profitable enterprise so there 
would be a finacial incentive to create a mature product.

I use both IE6 and Moz, generally the nightly build.

In general Moz is superior, however, the idiosyncrocies [sure wish we 
had a spell checker, for example] and bugs [like the misplaced text 
caret [sp?], lack of right mouse context menu and the misplaced text on 
the right, as I type this] drive me nuts.

It is a mystery to me why AOL doesn't seem to be concerned about loosing 
  the IE browser engine.

Al..........

Peter Trudelle wrote:

> Jason Mosser wrote:
> 
>> The one thing that people need to remember is this, "Mozilla is not 
>> intended for end users." plain and simple.  If one takes a good look 
>> around the Mozilla.org website, they will find numerous statements 
>> like this.  
> 
> 
> I've been seeing this a lot lately in the newsgroups, but I always 
> wonder: Where does this idea come from?  Of course mozilla is intended 
> for end users. Why else would we all be building this application suite? 
> Mozilla.org is itself a distributor, and even other distributors are 
> largely distributing mozilla applications, relatively intact.  If the 
> goal were really just a platform, we would be spending a lot more effort 
> on test harnesses and a lot less on apps.  Success means getting this 
> code into the hands of as many end users as possible, and that means the 
> apps as well as the components.  I can't find anywhere on mozilla.org 
> that says 'Mozilla is not intended for end users', but I can find these 
> mozilla.org pages:
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/get-involved.html , which says " We need 
> documentation for users...".  http://www.mozilla.org/quality/ , which 
> says "...contribute to placing a fast, stable, and truly 
> standards-compliant browser and mail/news reader onto the hard disks of 
> tens of millions of Internet users..."
> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/ , which says "This page provides 
> links to documentation for users of Mozilla and Mozilla-based browsers."
> http://www.mozilla.org/unity-of-interface.html , wherein JWZ said "the 
> goal is to let the user accomplish what they want to accomplish: not to 
> produce the perfect implementation of a particular protocol."
> http://www.mozilla.org/mozilla-at-one.html , which says "Now that that 
> groundwork has been laid more attention can be paid to other areas where 
> work is needed, like Mozilla testing by end users ..."
> http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html , where Brendan says 
> '...the world needs a "1.0" from mozilla.org soon...' and " We think the 
> world will be a better place, with more hands helping to improve 
> Mozilla, and more people benefiting from distributions of Mozilla..."
> http://www.mozilla.org/binaries.html , which shows several end user 
> products which either incorporate mozilla intact, or use it as the basis 
> for their products.
> 
> I think people are confusing some things that *are* often said on 
> mozilla.org, and are true: mozilla.org mailing lists and newsgroups are 
> not intended for end users, nor are the nightlies or other pre-release 
> builds.  Even milestone builds may not be suitable for many end users, 
> but a key goal of mozilla1.0 must certainly be no less than to displace 
> non-mozilla browsers on every possible desktop.  They might not all have 
> the red star ;-), but let's face it, they are all mozilla at heart.
> 
> Peter
> 


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