Just a couple of brief things - the lists I co-moderate all have limits of 5 emails/day which keeps the community together, allows for experimenta- tion and pretty much eliminates flooding. Second, as some people here may remember, there were groups who 'invaded' lists with the purpose of bring- ing them down - Cybermind had its share, as did a number of newsgroups. I remember alt.tactical.strategy and some people I don't care to mention - one of whom got in trouble with the law as well for sending child porn through someone's email. This stuff made nn etc. look tame - there was real defamation and rl issues at work. - Alan
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, marc garrett wrote: > Hi mez & all, > > This is a very interesting dialogue. > > One thing that intrigues me is, whether Karen's contributions to this > list (no matter how insightful) will be considered as spam anyway - > useful, valid or authentic in the eyes of Netbehaviour list users > themselves. > > Another interesting aspect is that it is bringing up a history of a past > which was strongly based around net art at the time. > > There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as > myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part > of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities, > their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening > currently here on this list, and what it means to them. > > I remember arguing with the NN, Integer and other characters on > Syndicate and other lists. But, in the end it felt as though whatever > one said, it did not matter anyway. I'm not sure if this was a > deliberate aim of the project. > > >the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceive>deal with the waxing + > waning of them is, overall, fascinating. > > I think there are many factors regarding the survival of a list or an > art group, or project - and it can be things happening behind the > scenes. Such as, whether the 'originators/dedicated' team moved onto > other careers and experienced the call of personal situations changing > their priorities, such as spending more time in bringing their families > etc, which are natural changes in life. Everything has a duration and > will not last forever. > > As long as there are artists who wish to be part of something that sees > them as part of a community, and feel that such a thing is worth sharing > time and ideas on, then we will actively continue to be a part of that > ourselves. > > wishing you well. > > marc > > > > hi again helen, all.d > > > > like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many > reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolve>progress>+ [ultimately] > decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its > fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, > considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], > standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, > moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, > censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found the list declined rapidly > when encountering shifts towards media-replication that lead it to > operate as a more closed arena [such as dealing with cross postings > across various art lists at the time]: in particular i found 1 "owner" > [essentially a moderator] espoused a lock-down approach [while trying to > deal with wot they perceived as information overload] that essentially > reduced the list 2 elitist, 1 sided monothreading. again, i'd like to > stress here that this my only my personal recollection. the lifespan of > such forums + how ppl perceive>deal with the waxing + waning of them is, > overall, fascinating. > > > > chunks, > > @netwurker [mez] > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Helen Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Netwurker - It would be great to find out more about your opinions. > > > > Alan ? your practice is not miserable > > > > And I remember runme.org a little. > > > > My posts were just a little caution on causing potential for a > community to implode when there are enough sectors and people out there > who would be glad if that happened. Look at something like Republika and > Big Society in UK. It uses much of the language that has been used by > net artists and theorists over the last two decades and yet most likely > has a very particular and negative approach to self organised > communities. In some ways it relates to Marc?s previous post on > Digital Surplus. I?ve not got time to write about this now but was > alluding to it last night rather badly... After my festival finishes > I?ll try to articulate better next week in a post if it is still relevant. > > > > All best > > Helen > > > > > > > > On 12/7/10 00:51, "mez breeze" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > hi helen, > > > > i'm not dismissing your comments at all, i'm simply > responding directly to simon. in terms of your opinion that my actions > accelerated syndicate's decline, I respectfully disagree. if you have > any qs or would like my direct opinion, pls don't hesitate to ask [here > or back-channel]. > > > > chunks, > > @netwurker > > > > In which case my own practices are probably miserable... > > > > > > - Alan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Reality Engineer> > > Synthetic Environment Strategist> > > Game[r + ] Theorist. > > ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > == email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ webpage http://www.alansondheim.org music archive: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ == _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
