Hi mez & all, This is a very interesting dialogue.
One thing that intrigues me is, whether Karen's contributions to this list (no matter how insightful) will be considered as spam anyway - useful, valid or authentic in the eyes of Netbehaviour list users themselves. Another interesting aspect is that it is bringing up a history of a past which was strongly based around net art at the time. There are a few on Netbehaviour who remember these times, such as myself. But it would be also good to hear from those who were not part of this history, not net art, Sydicate and the NN/Integer activities, their own ideas around the subject, as well what they feel is happening currently here on this list, and what it means to them. I remember arguing with the NN, Integer and other characters on Syndicate and other lists. But, in the end it felt as though whatever one said, it did not matter anyway. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate aim of the project. >the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceive>deal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. I think there are many factors regarding the survival of a list or an art group, or project - and it can be things happening behind the scenes. Such as, whether the 'originators/dedicated' team moved onto other careers and experienced the call of personal situations changing their priorities, such as spending more time in bringing their families etc, which are natural changes in life. Everything has a duration and will not last forever. As long as there are artists who wish to be part of something that sees them as part of a community, and feel that such a thing is worth sharing time and ideas on, then we will actively continue to be a part of that ourselves. wishing you well. marc > hi again helen, all.d > > like any avenue designed 2 act as a public forum, there's many reasons y lists such as Syndicate evolve>progress>+ [ultimately] decline. in my opinion, Syndicate progressed thru all 3 stages + had its fair share of interesting content, engaging dialogue, empty arguments, considered replies, technical hitches, experimental form[attings], standard list displays, passionate users, power-egofied abusers, moderator/admin hassles, pr guff, power plays, extended debates, censorship wrangling etc. i [personally] found the list declined rapidly when encountering shifts towards media-replication that lead it to operate as a more closed arena [such as dealing with cross postings across various art lists at the time]: in particular i found 1 "owner" [essentially a moderator] espoused a lock-down approach [while trying to deal with wot they perceived as information overload] that essentially reduced the list 2 elitist, 1 sided monothreading. again, i'd like to stress here that this my only my personal recollection. the lifespan of such forums + how ppl perceive>deal with the waxing + waning of them is, overall, fascinating. > > chunks, > @netwurker [mez] > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Helen Sloan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi > > Netwurker - It would be great to find out more about your opinions. > > Alan – your practice is not miserable > > And I remember runme.org a little. > > My posts were just a little caution on causing potential for a community to implode when there are enough sectors and people out there who would be glad if that happened. Look at something like Republika and Big Society in UK. It uses much of the language that has been used by net artists and theorists over the last two decades and yet most likely has a very particular and negative approach to self organised communities. In some ways it relates to Marc’s previous post on Digital Surplus. I’ve not got time to write about this now but was alluding to it last night rather badly... After my festival finishes I’ll try to articulate better next week in a post if it is still relevant. > > All best > Helen > > > > On 12/7/10 00:51, "mez breeze" <[email protected]> wrote: > > hi helen, > > i'm not dismissing your comments at all, i'm simply responding directly to simon. in terms of your opinion that my actions accelerated syndicate's decline, I respectfully disagree. if you have any qs or would like my direct opinion, pls don't hesitate to ask [here or back-channel]. > > chunks, > @netwurker > > In which case my own practices are probably miserable... > > > - Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > -- > Reality Engineer> > Synthetic Environment Strategist> > Game[r + ] Theorist. > ::http://unhub.com/netwurker :: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
