On Wednesday 14 March 2012 17:14:37 Vivek Khurana wrote: > >> But who screwed AIRINDIA? Workers? No. > > > > YES YES YES. Pilot strike, ground staff strike, cabin crew strike, sundry > > tender rigging, pilferage of stuff from planes, goods running, third rate > > service. I can go on, but everyone using AI is familiar with these. > > Dude you are a classic example of someone who just utters words > without verifying the facts.
Read and verufy your facts. > The strikes happened because post merger > of Airindia and Indian airlines, the salaries dropped drastically. Salaries dropped aka salaries were cut to below their existing levels. What are you talking about. Infact wage parity was implemented and the wage bill shot up by a huge factor. Incentives and bonuses had no link to profitability or performance. This was and continues to be the case. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cut-air-india-pilots-pay-panel/906285/ > The merger was itself a questionable as both airlines were running in > profit. t was a game plan of certain politicians with investment in > airline sector, with one of them having sinking airlines of there own. > As a result of merger AIRINDIA lost several profitable routes to > private players hence the profits tumbled. The pilots who were flying > international routes such as Singapore and middle-east were flying > India only and there salaries reduced to one-fourth as the flying > bonus of international routes were gone. But you wont believe this > cause you never check facts. Salaries != bonus. Get your facts straight. > > And what is with airindia service? Its not international class but it > is not as bad as you speak. As someone who travels by AirIndia atleast > 5 times month, I would say the service is good on Domestic routes > (except for Mumbai-Delhi). I would say Airindia is as bad as any > domestic ariline. > > >> The political masters of > > > > Also a part. Who btw are the ones framing the rules. > > > >> AIRINDIA are responsible for the downfall of AIRINDIA. Else how come > >> an airline which was posting profits sudden ran into loss. > > > > Cooking the books is an ancient art. Without public - not government - > > scrutiny - everyone was happy with the fake profits, fat bonuses, and > > fatter contracts. > > Not govt. scrutiny? Govt. accounts go through bigger scrutiny than > private accounts. Else how did things like 2G scam came out? Read the news atleast some times. One Mr. Subramniam Swamy filed a case against the government in the Supreme court demanding that action be taken against A Raja and others. Nobody in the government said it was a scam, merely an error and or following precedent set by other holy cows. > Even CAG > report has said that there was a delay in buying new aircrafts for > Airindia due to political delays causing losses to airline. The > purchase of aircraft was delayed by Govt. by couple of years. > > But you wont believe all this and wont bother to do some research on > Airindia downfall. All news items and documents are available online. > > >> Going into > >> details of this would require a thread of its own. But my point is, > >> dont give half researched examples. > >> > >> >> These employees organisation > >> >> should force their own version of 'terms of work'. Either the > >> >> employers accept those terms or let them close down. > >> > > >> > Precisely my point, but perhaps not what you have in mind, which is > >> > striking work and preventing others less pandered from taking up their > >> > seats. If the terms are so rotten, that company wont find competent > >> > employees and will shut. In the past labour militancy (alongwith other > >> > parallel factors) led to the shutdown of industry. But that was not a > >> > disaster, as industries moved to better locations, and new industry > >> > with better working conditions replaced them. For a shot while both > >> > labour and industrialists were playing holier than thou, before > >> > economics forced better sense to prevail. > >> > >> You are completely disconnected with the conditions in India. > > > > Oh really? I could take you on tour in and around mumbai so that we get > > an education. > > DUDE done deal, when? All though you wont believe the facts if they > prove you wrong. > > >> You > >> think if unsuitable terms are offered the organisation will shutdown. > >> Maybe in your dream. For man power intensive jobs in India there is no > >> dearth manpower. > > > > Exactly. Which is why the CC workers and others in urban India, who seek > > to convert their priveligies to rights at the expense of everyone else, > > need a boot in the face. > > > > Besides the option of finding cushier jobs, they can always start on > > their own and earn gadzillions. > > > >> If unsuitable work conditions were to shutdown > >> organisation Army would have been the first one to shutdown. But that > >> doesnt happen because there is no dearth of people willing to join > >> Army. Ditto for Police and several other govt. jobs. > > > > The army, police, and governments are not business. > > WTF, I am talking of organisations and not businesses. I am talking of businesses not merely organisations. This thread is about stupid government interventions in businesses, whereby it seeks to abrogate it's role of law enforcement and citizen protection, and instead mandating proxies. > These > organizations proved jobs at certain terms and people working there > are free to find another job if they dont like the terms. You surely > can go to any length to ensure that you wont believe anybody else's > points. Because your points lack facts, dont look at the background history and mix up all sorts of stuff. This has gone way to OT. Raj has put it correctly. And I concur totally. Which is Stupid government interventions in businesses, whereby it seeks to abrogate it's role of law enforcement and citizen protection, and instead mandating proxies. The economic angle came about because of the attempt to equate the highest paid workers and their working conditions (afaik all of us belong to this category) with the vast majority of workers in the un organised sector, who have absolutely nothing by way of basic rights, justify a perk/privilege as a fundamental right, and trying to conflate safety at the work place with safety outside. -- Rgds JTD _______________________________________________ network mailing list [email protected] http://lists.fosscom.in/listinfo.cgi/network-fosscom.in
