and sine when to donate time is different than donate money ? Wasn't Steve's time paid ? Sergej was hired (probably as Steve is a iMeta's employee), sure, and that is a little bit different than donate and receive an invoice.
Suppositions: Tomorrow the XYZ company is available to pay 3 months of Richard's time to work in NH. After tomorrow the ZYX company is available to pay 3 weeks of Tuna's time to work in NH. ranlix company is available to spent 3 days of Davy's time to fix something or develop a new feature. My point is that, so far, NH have received donations directly paid to a person with a clear agreement . Everything can continue working in the same way... to manage any kind of amount, for 1U$D up, is not so easy without a real Organization behind the funds. 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> > Fabio, > IIRC, Sergej was hired by JBoss, then shortly after put to work on other > things. > iMeta's donation was of time, not money. That makes it easier to manage. > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What was around one year of Sergej full time development ? >> What was 3 man-moths (or even more) full time development donated by iMeta >> ? >> >> 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> >> >> Were there any donations >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Can we take the recent past and no so recent past, of NHibernate >>>> "donations", as example of a possible funds management ? >>>> >>>> 2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> personally, i don't think the money should go to the committers... yeah, >>>>> we do work on it for free but most of us do it because we _want_ to work >>>>> on >>>>> it, not because it might someday pay some bills >>>>> >>>>> i would vote for spending the money on infrastructure... a faster jira >>>>> server, a faster svn server, things like that... >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Steve Strong <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think the idea is a great one, particularly the offer to match >>>>>> donations - very kind! I do have a couple of comments - firstly, whenever >>>>>> money gets involved, some people have a tendency to loose sight of >>>>>> reality >>>>>> and start seeing $$$ signs in front of their eyes. Given that, I would >>>>>> suggest that we as a group define the rules for how this works prior to >>>>>> taking donations - that way, everyone (us and those donating) understand >>>>>> where the money is going and we don't end up in pointless arguments. I >>>>>> suspect the levels of money won't be all that high, but you never can >>>>>> tell >>>>>> and knowing how it is to be distributed is important. I think we need to >>>>>> answer questions like: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Who is eligible for the money? Any committer? Only "active" >>>>>> committers? What defines "active"? >>>>>> - How is the money split? Do all committers (however that's >>>>>> defined) get the same amount? Is it split by number of commits? >>>>>> Number of >>>>>> lines of code changed? >>>>>> - Who owns the bank account? Who has visibility of it? Is it >>>>>> available for public viewing? >>>>>> - Do we have any other needs for money other than just >>>>>> distributing it amongst individuals? Should we keep a pot for >>>>>> "NHibernate" >>>>>> activities, such as perhaps sponsoring the occasional conference? >>>>>> Hell, if >>>>>> there's enough cash we could even have an NHibernate stand! NHibernate >>>>>> T-Shirts & Mugs anyone?! >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, I don't see why you shouldn't take a share of this Ayende - >>>>>> you have made many contributions to the project, and I see NHProf as >>>>>> something different. Although your *knowledge* of NH helped you write >>>>>> it, >>>>>> there was nothing about being a committer that made it possible. Anyone >>>>>> else *could* have written NHProf without being a committer if they'd had >>>>>> both the idea and the ambition to take it forward. NHProf will make its >>>>>> own >>>>>> money and has its own associated costs. I don't really see the two (your >>>>>> commercial activity with NHProf and your altruistic activity with NH) are >>>>>> related. If they are, then any one of us that undertakes commercial NH >>>>>> consultancy or writes or contributes to an NH book etc. would also have >>>>>> to >>>>>> come under the same rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 03/02/2010 17:23, Ayende Rahien wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am setting up a donation campaign for NHibernate. As part of that >>>>>> campaign, my company will donate 5,000$ for the project. >>>>>> >>>>>> Below is the text of the blog post that I intend to post. I would like >>>>>> to get your comments and any suggestions on how to make this better. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NHibernate is the most popular Open Source Object Relational Mapper >>>>>> in the .NET framework. As an Open Source project, all the work done on >>>>>> it is >>>>>> done for free. We would like to be able to dedicate more time to >>>>>> NHibernate, but even as a labor of love, the amount of time that we can >>>>>> spend on a free project is limited. >>>>>> >>>>>> In order to facilitate that, we opened a donation >>>>>> campaign<http://pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>that will allow you to donate >>>>>> money to the project. >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Click here to lend your support to: NHibernate and make a >>>>>> donation at www.pledgie.com !]<http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/8615> >>>>>> >>>>>> *What is this money going to be used for?* >>>>>> >>>>>> This money will go directly to NHibernate committers, in order to >>>>>> sponsor the development of NHibernate itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> As one caveat of that, none of that money is going to go to me >>>>>> personally. As you are probably aware, I have my own commercial interest >>>>>> in >>>>>> NHibernate (NHibernate Profiler <http://nhprof.com/>), so I don’t >>>>>> feel I should benefit from the donations. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Donation Matching* >>>>>> >>>>>> Moreover, my company, Hibernating Rhinos<http://hibernatingrhinos.com/>, >>>>>> is going to *match any donation *to this campaign (to a total limit >>>>>> of 5,000$), as a way to give back to the NHibernate project for the >>>>>> excellent software it produced. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Why should you donate?* >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are a user of NHibernate, you gained a lot from build on such a >>>>>> solid foundation. We ask to you to donate so that we can make the project >>>>>> even better. If your company uses NHibernate, ask it to donate to this >>>>>> campaign. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fabio Maulo >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Fabio Maulo >> >> > -- Fabio Maulo
