btw my friends... before create too much noise we should have a look
to the past experience...
For JBoss NH was not a business.
My personal experience with iMeta-NH-Professional support is 0 (zero).
Perhaps we are talking about how distribute 0U$D... so... YAGNI can be
applied even here, No ?
2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
+10
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
and sine when to donate time is different than donate money ?
Wasn't Steve's time paid ?
Sergej was hired (probably as Steve is a iMeta's employee),
sure, and that is a little bit different than donate
and receive an invoice.
Suppositions:
Tomorrow the XYZ company is available to pay 3 months of
Richard's time to work in NH.
After tomorrow the ZYX company is available to pay 3 weeks of
Tuna's time to work in NH.
ranlix company is available to spent 3 days of Davy's time to
fix something or develop a new feature.
My point is that, so far, NH have received donations directly
paid to a person with a clear agreement .
Everything can continue working in the same way... to manage
any kind of amount, for 1U$D up, is not so easy without a real
Organization behind the funds.
2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Fabio,
IIRC, Sergej was hired by JBoss, then shortly after put to
work on other things.
iMeta's donation was of time, not money. That makes it
easier to manage.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fabio Maulo
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What was around one year of Sergej full time
development ?
What was 3 man-moths (or even more) full time
development donated by iMeta ?
2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Were there any donations
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Fabio Maulo
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Can we take the recent past and no so recent
past, of NHibernate "donations", as example of
a possible funds management ?
2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
personally, i don't think the money should
go to the committers... yeah, we do work
on it for free but most of us do it
because we _want_ to work on it, not
because it might someday pay some bills
i would vote for spending the money on
infrastructure... a faster jira server, a
faster svn server, things like that...
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Steve
Strong <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think the idea is a great one,
particularly the offer to match
donations - very kind! I do have a
couple of comments - firstly, whenever
money gets involved, some people have
a tendency to loose sight of reality
and start seeing $$$ signs in front of
their eyes. Given that, I would
suggest that we as a group define the
rules for how this works prior to
taking donations - that way, everyone
(us and those donating) understand
where the money is going and we don't
end up in pointless arguments. I
suspect the levels of money won't be
all that high, but you never can tell
and knowing how it is to be
distributed is important. I think we
need to answer questions like:
* Who is eligible for the money?
Any committer? Only "active"
committers? What defines "active"?
* How is the money split? Do all
committers (however that's
defined) get the same amount?
Is it split by number of
commits? Number of lines of
code changed?
* Who owns the bank account? Who
has visibility of it? Is it
available for public viewing?
* Do we have any other needs for
money other than just
distributing it amongst
individuals? Should we keep a
pot for "NHibernate" activities,
such as perhaps sponsoring the
occasional conference? Hell, if
there's enough cash we could
even have an NHibernate stand!
NHibernate T-Shirts & Mugs anyone?!
Secondly, I don't see why you
shouldn't take a share of this Ayende
- you have made many contributions to
the project, and I see NHProf as
something different. Although your
*knowledge* of NH helped you write it,
there was nothing about being a
committer that made it possible.
Anyone else *could* have written
NHProf without being a committer if
they'd had both the idea and the
ambition to take it forward. NHProf
will make its own money and has its
own associated costs. I don't really
see the two (your commercial activity
with NHProf and your altruistic
activity with NH) are related. If
they are, then any one of us that
undertakes commercial NH consultancy
or writes or contributes to an NH book
etc. would also have to come under the
same rules.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Steve
On 03/02/2010 17:23, Ayende Rahien wrote:
Guys,
I am setting up a donation campaign
for NHibernate. As part of that
campaign, my company will donate
5,000$ for the project.
Below is the text of the blog post
that I intend to post. I would like
to get your comments and any
suggestions on how to make this better.
NHibernate is the most popular Open
Source Object Relational Mapper in
the .NET framework. As an Open Source
project, all the work done on it is
done for free. We would like to be
able to dedicate more time to
NHibernate, but even as a labor of
love, the amount of time that we can
spend on a free project is limited.
In order to facilitate that, we
opened a donation campaign
<http://pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>
that will allow you to donate money
to the project.
Click here to lend your support to:
NHibernate and make a donation at
www.pledgie.com !
<http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>
*What is this money going to be used
for?*
This money will go directly to
NHibernate committers, in order to
sponsor the development of NHibernate
itself.
As one caveat of that, none of
that money is going to go to me
personally. As you are probably
aware, I have my own commercial
interest in NHibernate
(NHibernate Profiler
<http://nhprof.com/>), so I don’t
feel I should benefit from the
donations.
*Donation Matching*
Moreover, my company, Hibernating
Rhinos
<http://hibernatingrhinos.com/>, is
going to /match any donation /to this
campaign (to a total limit of
5,000$), as a way to give back to the
NHibernate project for the excellent
software it produced.
*Why should you donate?*
If you are a user of NHibernate, you
gained a lot from build on such a
solid foundation. We ask to you to
donate so that we can make the
project even better. If your company
uses NHibernate, ask it to donate to
this campaign.
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