+10 On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]> wrote:
> and sine when to donate time is different than donate money ? > Wasn't Steve's time paid ? > Sergej was hired (probably as Steve is a iMeta's employee), sure, and that > is a little bit different than donate and receive an invoice. > > Suppositions: > Tomorrow the XYZ company is available to pay 3 months of Richard's time to > work in NH. > After tomorrow the ZYX company is available to pay 3 weeks of Tuna's time > to work in NH. > ranlix company is available to spent 3 days of Davy's time to fix something > or develop a new feature. > > My point is that, so far, NH have received donations directly paid to a > person with a clear agreement . > Everything can continue working in the same way... to manage any kind > of amount, for 1U$D up, is not so easy without a real Organization behind > the funds. > > 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> > >> Fabio, >> IIRC, Sergej was hired by JBoss, then shortly after put to work on other >> things. >> iMeta's donation was of time, not money. That makes it easier to manage. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> What was around one year of Sergej full time development ? >>> What was 3 man-moths (or even more) full time development donated by >>> iMeta ? >>> >>> 2010/2/3 Ayende Rahien <[email protected]> >>> >>> Were there any donations >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Fabio Maulo <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can we take the recent past and no so recent past, of NHibernate >>>>> "donations", as example of a possible funds management ? >>>>> >>>>> 2010/2/3 Davy Brion <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> personally, i don't think the money should go to the committers... >>>>>> yeah, we do work on it for free but most of us do it because we _want_ to >>>>>> work on it, not because it might someday pay some bills >>>>>> >>>>>> i would vote for spending the money on infrastructure... a faster jira >>>>>> server, a faster svn server, things like that... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Steve Strong <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the idea is a great one, particularly the offer to match >>>>>>> donations - very kind! I do have a couple of comments - firstly, >>>>>>> whenever >>>>>>> money gets involved, some people have a tendency to loose sight of >>>>>>> reality >>>>>>> and start seeing $$$ signs in front of their eyes. Given that, I would >>>>>>> suggest that we as a group define the rules for how this works prior to >>>>>>> taking donations - that way, everyone (us and those donating) understand >>>>>>> where the money is going and we don't end up in pointless arguments. I >>>>>>> suspect the levels of money won't be all that high, but you never can >>>>>>> tell >>>>>>> and knowing how it is to be distributed is important. I think we need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> answer questions like: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Who is eligible for the money? Any committer? Only "active" >>>>>>> committers? What defines "active"? >>>>>>> - How is the money split? Do all committers (however that's >>>>>>> defined) get the same amount? Is it split by number of commits? >>>>>>> Number of >>>>>>> lines of code changed? >>>>>>> - Who owns the bank account? Who has visibility of it? Is it >>>>>>> available for public viewing? >>>>>>> - Do we have any other needs for money other than just >>>>>>> distributing it amongst individuals? Should we keep a pot for >>>>>>> "NHibernate" >>>>>>> activities, such as perhaps sponsoring the occasional conference? >>>>>>> Hell, if >>>>>>> there's enough cash we could even have an NHibernate stand! >>>>>>> NHibernate >>>>>>> T-Shirts & Mugs anyone?! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, I don't see why you shouldn't take a share of this Ayende - >>>>>>> you have made many contributions to the project, and I see NHProf as >>>>>>> something different. Although your *knowledge* of NH helped you write >>>>>>> it, >>>>>>> there was nothing about being a committer that made it possible. Anyone >>>>>>> else *could* have written NHProf without being a committer if they'd had >>>>>>> both the idea and the ambition to take it forward. NHProf will make its >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> money and has its own associated costs. I don't really see the two >>>>>>> (your >>>>>>> commercial activity with NHProf and your altruistic activity with NH) >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> related. If they are, then any one of us that undertakes commercial NH >>>>>>> consultancy or writes or contributes to an NH book etc. would also have >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> come under the same rules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 03/02/2010 17:23, Ayende Rahien wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am setting up a donation campaign for NHibernate. As part of that >>>>>>> campaign, my company will donate 5,000$ for the project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Below is the text of the blog post that I intend to post. I would >>>>>>> like to get your comments and any suggestions on how to make this >>>>>>> better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NHibernate is the most popular Open Source Object Relational Mapper >>>>>>> in the .NET framework. As an Open Source project, all the work done on >>>>>>> it is >>>>>>> done for free. We would like to be able to dedicate more time to >>>>>>> NHibernate, but even as a labor of love, the amount of time that we can >>>>>>> spend on a free project is limited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In order to facilitate that, we opened a donation >>>>>>> campaign<http://pledgie.com/campaigns/8615>that will allow you to >>>>>>> donate money to the project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Click here to lend your support to: NHibernate and make a >>>>>>> donation at www.pledgie.com !]<http://www.pledgie.com/campaigns/8615> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *What is this money going to be used for?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This money will go directly to NHibernate committers, in order to >>>>>>> sponsor the development of NHibernate itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As one caveat of that, none of that money is going to go to me >>>>>>> personally. As you are probably aware, I have my own commercial >>>>>>> interest in >>>>>>> NHibernate (NHibernate Profiler <http://nhprof.com/>), so I don’t >>>>>>> feel I should benefit from the donations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Donation Matching* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moreover, my company, Hibernating Rhinos<http://hibernatingrhinos.com/>, >>>>>>> is going to *match any donation *to this campaign (to a total limit >>>>>>> of 5,000$), as a way to give back to the NHibernate project for the >>>>>>> excellent software it produced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Why should you donate?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are a user of NHibernate, you gained a lot from build on such >>>>>>> a solid foundation. We ask to you to donate so that we can make the >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> even better. If your company uses NHibernate, ask it to donate to this >>>>>>> campaign. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Fabio Maulo >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fabio Maulo >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Fabio Maulo > >
