Mileage does indeed vary. I too stop to help folks that appear to be in need, but it's with a healthy dose of cynicism, and self protection in mind.
I've had a couple decent managers in my career, but they are far outnumbered by the insecure, politically inclined, back-stabber types. - WJR On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:48 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: > When I interviewed for %dayjob%, I made it clear that I moonlight with > my own biz. However, I also made it clear that %dayjob% would have priority > during my scheduled work hours, and that %moonlighting% would actually give > me areas of work that would improve what was required by %dayjob%.**** > > ** ** > > When I first made up my resume that included the moonlighting gig, I > wasn’t sure if it was going to be beneficial or not, but it turns out – in > my case anyway – that it was a huge plus as it directly showed experience > and initiative.**** > > ** ** > > On the notice thing, I’m a bird of a different feather as I’d feel > compelled to keep them in the loop so they aren’t too surprised when you > give notice. Technically two weeks is plenty, but depending on your > relationship you might consider full disclosure. In fact, at one point I > did exactly this with my current biggest %moonlight% client. I thought I > was going to have to drop them in July a few years ago, in January of that > year I let them know it (leaving in July) might be a possibility, but that > March it turned out to be unnecessary. They appreciated it and there has > been zero fallout because they appreciate my work.**** > > ** ** > > Perhaps that’s just me. If I am alone and see a motorist pulled over with > apparent car problems I will stop to help – my desire to “do right” > outweighs my paranoia of being burned by it. Am I likely to get burned > someday? Sure, but I will sleep well knowing I did right by my own > standards.**** > > ** ** > > YMMV.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *William Robbins > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:15 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** > > ** ** > > I'd caution you against that. It sounds nice, and may look good on your > bank statement. But it will wear you down faster than you think. You > won't be giving your best effort to either company in that scenario. I > advise making a clean break if you accept another offer.**** > > Most companies frown on 'Moonlighting' for a reason. :)**** > > > **** > > > - WJR**** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> wrote:* > *** > > Thanks guys. I appreciate the advice!**** > > ** ** > > And if this actually happens, then it would be kind of a win/win if they > would let me work weekends on current stuff - that's very nice.**** > > ** ** > > Much appreciated!**** > > ** ** > > Don K**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "Kennedy, Jim" <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:56 AM > *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** > > ** ** > > It’s not easy, nor fun but you have to answer every one of those questions > in a way that serves your best interests. Don’t do any unneeded harm to > your current employer but assume the worse and take care of yourself.**** > > **** > > Heck no you don’t say anything. Never ever, once you do that they will > always be looking over their shoulder. Hopefully you have expressed several > times you want the contract converted to full time.**** > > **** > > Once you get the gig, you tell them as best you can. You love them, you > love it here but you need a real employment commitment for your own > personal protection/career. You promise (and deliver) that you will help > them finish projects after hours….document everything..help them find > someone….all of those kinds of things.**** > > **** > > The hard part will be if when you tell them you are leaving they offer you > more money and the conversion to full time. I usually advise people to turn > that down unless there are special circumstances.**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Don Kuhlman > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:52 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** > > **** > > Morning all. Just curious as to thoughts from some colleagues in the > field.**** > > **** > > Say you were in a job as a contractor at a smaller firm, and the job was > supposed to convert to full time in a few months, but that didn't happen. > However, your contract is extended several times so you are still at the > position. it may end in 6 months after being extended 18. The people at > the place are really great and the environment is laid back and casual with > very low stress.**** > > > So you keep your options open and along comes what may be a very good > opportunity with a large well established place that is insourcing and > building a new team right in your preferred geography. It is also a 6 > month contract to start out, but the company wants to make it permanent > based on all information given.**** > > **** > > Do you share with your current gig that you are checking into this?**** > > **** > > Or if you don't share the info, and you get the offer, how do you tell > your current gig so as not to burn any bridges?**** > > **** > > And if the new gig was a go, they want an immediate start time (within 2 > weeks) because their outsourced people doing the support are going to be > gone in that time. However, you are working on finishing up projects for > the current gig.**** > > **** > > Any thoughts appreciated.**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > **** > > Don K**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** >
