Thanks!! I will go ahead and JFDI whenever I see them :-)
and I will try to keep the list traffic down for my part, I am over the hurdle now and ready to take a big discussion on l10n. rgds jan. On 16 October 2012 14:52, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:30 AM, jan iversen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Got it. > > > > What is the polite policy in the apache OO community. > > > > E.x. when I created my wiki.openoffice.org account (again), I came > across a > > page that said: > > "we recommend you use the same username as on openoffice.org". > > > > Now today openoffice.org does not have a login, so it is kind of > obsolite, > > I left a note on the "discussion" page, but would it have been more > correct > > that I changed it ? > > > > Over time I have found that different communities handle these matters > very > > differently, and as they say, asking cost nothing :-) > > > > Generally it works like this: > > 1) With Subversion and Wiki we have a time machine that allows us to > go back and undo mistakes. So we don't require pre-approval, or prior > discussion for reversible changes. In fact we try to avoid > unnecessary discussion and list traffic regarding uncontroversial > changes. > > 2) So for uncontroversial, reversible changes, the practice is JFDI > (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JFDI) > > 3) In cases where the contributor has more doubt, on the technical > approach, or on the correctness or acceptability of the change, they > can post a proposal to the mailing list and see if there are any > objections. For non-urgent changes we wait 72-hours, to ensure that > everyone has an opportunity to read the proposal. Reviewers can > express support by responding +1 and disapproval by -1. But this is > not a vote. You are just waiting to see if there are any serious > objections. If there are no objections then you go forward. > > 4) Any Committer can veto a change, for technical reasons, and ask for > it to be reversed. This is very rare. > > 5) If there are competing approaches, or serious objections, then we > might have longer discussions or even a vote. But we try to avoid > votes. Votes have winners and losers. We want everyone to be happy > and reach consensus. But note that there are some formal decisions > that require voting, like approving a release or approving new > Committers. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > > > > have a nice day > > jan > > > > On 16 October 2012 01:50, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM, jan iversen <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > the l10n wiki page was just an example, there seems to be a lot of old > >> > stuff floating around originating from pre-apache times, some of this > >> stuff > >> > has references which are no longer valid. This gives the impression > of a > >> > halfway dead product, something many people for sure dont like to get > !! > >> > > >> > the best marketing is the mouth to ear method and I would not like an > >> > outdated wiki to judge a brilliant product. So between all the > >> > adminstrative apache task it might be a good idea to close down some > of > >> > these outdated pages. > >> > > >> > This is of course only my opinion (and maybe the fact that I used to > do a > >> > lot of marketing for my companies). > >> > > >> > >> Start from the main home page: www.openoffice.org. The links from > >> there, and 2 or 3 levels deep, should be good shape. We know what the > >> most-common pages are, where the users really go to, and those pages > >> have received a great deal of attention and updating. > >> > >> But that still leaves the "long tail" of other webpages that need > >> updating. All we need now is a long tail of volunteers .... ;-) > >> > >> Of course, what you say is correct. But there is always more to do > >> than time to do it. Code to write, tests to run, bugs to fix, etc. > >> Documentation always suffers. > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > jan I. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 16 October 2012 00:57, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM, jan iversen < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Just as a small note a late evening, I actually did not see that > page > >> >> until > >> >> > Rob asked if it should be changed, I simply noted that I could not > >> >> download > >> >> > a danish version :-) > >> >> > > >> >> > If we should add subscription advice, please change the danish text > >> to: > >> >> > > >> >> >>>> > >> >> > Vi er et lille team som arbejder på den sidste del af > oversættelsen, > >> hvis > >> >> > du er interesseret i at hjælpe med at kvalitetschecke oversættelsen > >> er du > >> >> > meget velkommen. Send venligst en mail til vores mailing liste: > >> >> > [email protected] hvis du har nogen spørgsmål. For at > >> sikre > >> >> at > >> >> > du får svarende er det en god ide at tilmelde sig listen, det > foregår > >> ved > >> >> > at sende en tom mail til > >> >> > [email protected]< > [email protected] > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Bemærk iøvrigt der er meget andet oversættelses arbejde som f.eks. > >> wiki > >> >> og > >> >> > lignende så hvis du har lyst er der nok at tage fat på. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> > > >> >> > The last sentence "Bemærk...." is just a reminder that AOO isnt the > >> only > >> >> > thing needing translation like wiki. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> OK. I've made this update. > >> >> > >> >> > Talking about wiki, is somebody working on a cleanup, there seems > to > >> be > >> >> > many pages either not updated or pointing strangely (like the l10n > >> >> group) ? > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I don't think anyone is currently working on the l10n wiki page. The > >> >> page history would indicate if anyone has been editing it recently. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > rgds > >> >> > Jan I. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 15 October 2012 22:22, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 11/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> I previously put a note, in English, on the Polish and Danish > home > >> >> pages: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yes, and with a few lines of HTML in those pages (actually, > Polish, > >> >> Danish > >> >> >> and Norwegian) you managed to recruit new volunteers and enable 50 > >> >> million > >> >> >> people to have an updated translation in their language. > Impressive, > >> and > >> >> >> something not to forget. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> c) Change the message to something else, perhaps in Polish or > >> Danish, > >> >> >>> saying that translations are now in progress and further > >> information, > >> >> >>> including calls for more help testing the translation, will be > >> posted > >> >> >>> when available. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> C is OK; I'd be for putting some text that still engages > volunteers, > >> on > >> >> >> the model of the Danish one. But let's make it clear that ooo-l10n > >> is a > >> >> >> discussion list, by including a notice such as: "Notice: ooo-l10n > is > >> a > >> >> >> publicly archived discussion list; if you want to be sure that you > >> don't > >> >> >> miss answers [subscribe instructions here]; or follow the archives > >> >> >> [archives link here]". > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards, > >> >> >> Andrea. > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >
