Yeah linas i'm gonna create it ! I'm training on ML & DL at the moment ! you have to try the C api of Tensorflow
Le dim. 17 mars 2019 à 17:28, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> a écrit : > Sure. But you'd also have to implement a reflexion system. -- linas > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 2:07 AM Sarah Connorh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Linas >> >> Tx for ur feedback. I approved it ! >> >> btw i've discussed with a friend of mine that is geneticist about the >> role played by our hormones systèmes. Should we implement a Thyroid system >> into the reflexion system (LIKE -> Hypophis -> Thyroid -> Hypothalamus -> >> Exploration -> STATE -> Exploitation) to the project to improve the human >> like side ? >> >> I'll biceps >> >> >> Le dim. 17 mars 2019 à 03:20, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >>> Thanks Sarah! >>> >>> The generation of ideas, and the representation of them as bits&bytes, >>> and the curation of them (rejecting bad ideas) is one of the central tasks >>> of AGI. >>> >>> -- All the truisms you can say about ideas are .. true. Yes, they are a >>> dime-a-dozen. Yes, sometimes they are really hard to stumble across. 1% >>> inspiration, 99% perspiration. Yes, sometimes the best ideas are right >>> under your nose, where you don't even notice them. It can take decades to >>> get one good idea. >>> >>> -- Telling apart good ideas from bad ones can be really hard. Depends on >>> how much feedback you get from nature. In engineering, bad ideas result in >>> bridges that fall down and ships that sink. Feedback is pretty direct and >>> punishing. In human biomedical research, feedback is poor: you get studies >>> that have a 5% effect with p<0.05 for 48 subjects in 11 weeks. That's a >>> lot of work for questionable, mediocre results. In macroeconomics/politics, >>> there's almost no feedback. Should we spend less? spend more? run a >>> deficit? tighten our belts? regulate banks? trade? deregulate banks, >>> trade? Join the EU? Leave the EU? Its almost total chaos, and darned >>> little science. And then there's the "global brain" -- i.e. the sum-total >>> of facebook posts -- and the "ideas" it thinks about -- it is hallucinating >>> flat-earth and anti-vaxx and moon-landing denial. The global brain is >>> filled to the brim with new and exciting ideas, and a large fraction of >>> those are insane. Some ideas are openly hostile to sanity: QAnon is >>> designed to trigger and reinforce mental illness. And it's effective; it >>> works. (Innoculate now.) You really should think of the global-brain as >>> proto-AGI, and then realize that proto-AGI will hallucinate. And it risks >>> taking the human race down with it. >>> >>> -- Capitalism. There's good, and there's bad. The good: buy something on >>> Amazon, it arrives on your doorstep, and the incredibly vast complexity of >>> generating that product is hidden behind a simple GUI. It's great! As an >>> intelligence, its nice to not deal with the mundane, and devote time/energy >>> to "what really matters", to work without friction and impediment. >>> Capitalism/money offers this. The bad: Capitalism cannot tell the >>> difference between beneficial behavior, and destructive behavior. What's >>> the difference between an open-source coder, a musician, and a meth addict >>> (vodka-drunk, for you eastern europeans)? Answer: None, as far as >>> capitalism is concerned. All three use modest amounts of cash to buy just >>> enough capitalist goods to survive. De facto, we have no effective system >>> for telling these three classes apart, and supporting the ones that we >>> want. De facto, there's no coherent path forward from here, where we are, >>> to a post-capitalist, woofie-based economy. >>> >>> -- Machine learning. A "good idea" is not the same thing as a "true idea >>> that is not valuable". For example, algorithmic proof assistants can >>> generate thousands of mathematical theorems in minutes, most of which are >>> stunningly boring to humans. They may be true, but .. useless. Like >>> spending all day doing deep fractal zooms... after a while, you realize >>> that you've seen more-or-less the same thing over and over, even though >>> they are each technically slightly different. Only a few are truly unique >>> and worth noticing. This problem of "all almost alike" plagues all aspects >>> of machine learning: there's combinatoric explosions, most of which are .. >>> boring. And we have no effective theory for taming them (aside from "lucky >>> insights" like back-propagation, if you are lucky enough to spot a network >>> structure and map back-propagation onto it.) >>> >>> Linas. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 1:09 PM Sarah Connorh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah pretty false, most of great ideas are shared by different creators >>>> in the time. Look at our history, many concepts were created multiple times >>>> at different location. Because we got "collective intelligence" and ideas >>>> are shared by mans, you can't say that one idea is yours, because it is the >>>> global knowledge of the entire humanity that put you there. >>>> >>>> Ideas litteraly fall from the sky. And many scientist can tell you they >>>> discover something trying to do another things. That's life shit happened, >>>> and good things thu. >>>> >>>> Btw i'm not a girl. I'm a cyborg. >>>> >>>> Everything is okey, but we can elevate the discussion above the "fok >>>> communism bureaucracy" thing. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 18:54, Ivan V. <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> Sarah Connorh, >>>>> >>>>> I know you are a girl and therefore super-smart regarding to boys, but >>>>> forgive me to be that much direct. >>>>> >>>>> It happens that I suspect how ideas and visions are born. There is >>>>> some unwritten Universe rule that says that there is no white without >>>>> black, no music without a noise, no smile without a tear, no birth without >>>>> a death, and as everything else, no good idea without a junk mess. Ideas >>>>> don't just fall from the sky. Someone somewhere did a freaking mess for >>>>> someone else to get a freaking good idea (could be the same person, but >>>>> not >>>>> necessarily). I'm of opinion that that someone who suffered to conceive an >>>>> idea is in complete ownership of the same, and should be consulted before >>>>> using it. >>>>> >>>>> But that's not how humans behave. We use what we can to get the things >>>>> we want. Bureaucracy tries to protect sides from exploiting, but the >>>>> Universe is the one that levels everything afterwards (or beforewards). >>>>> >>>>> I hope this makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> In a hope that everything is OK, >>>>> Ivan V. >>>>> >>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 18:00 Ivan V. <[email protected]> napisao je: >>>>> >>>>>> That's human burocracy mumbojumbo i don't believe in. >>>>>> >>>>>> If someone has dragged their soul through hell to produce an idea, is >>>>>> it fair to be reluctant to use that idea without permission? >>>>>> >>>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:54 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]> >>>>>> napisao je: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But you can't protect it. An idea belong to the humanity and can't >>>>>>> be copyrighted, only technical processes (linked to this idea) can be. >>>>>>> (And >>>>>>> even that, i don't share. I'm for open source in every fields, not only >>>>>>> IT, >>>>>>> but i respect the choice of some people to get money for their work) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 17:51, Ivan V. <[email protected]> a >>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some ideas are result of a hard work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:01 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> napisao je: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> PLUS : You gotta to know something. An IDEA CAN'T be protected, >>>>>>>>> only a process. You can't protect the idea of "creating a Emotionnal >>>>>>>>> AI" >>>>>>>>> but you can protect your source code. >>>>>>>>> Your IDEA is NOT protectable. You have to know HOW to do it and >>>>>>>>> protect the WAY you do it. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le jeu. 14 mars 2019 à 16:25, JRTA <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I do have a brand new idea but im not interested >>>>>>>>>> in getting rich. It'ts probably stupid but I still wouldn't talk >>>>>>>>>> about it >>>>>>>>>> with out protecting it. >>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 9:21:45 AM UTC-5, Sarah Connorh >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JRTA : Sorry but we saw people like you everyday that have the >>>>>>>>>>> brand new IDEA that will make them rich. And seriously, don't do >>>>>>>>>>> ever again >>>>>>>>>>> the "come sign a contract" people will laugh the fuck out of you >>>>>>>>>>> you don't >>>>>>>>>>> even imagine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Firstval a pathfinder isn't even an IA is just one of the basics >>>>>>>>>>> concepts you have to understand before wanting to do a real IA. you >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> find more on : >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.w3resource.com/c-programming-exercises/ >>>>>>>>>>> 2nd : If you are looking for a teacher this is the wrong place >>>>>>>>>>> you should go on Teachers platform. >>>>>>>>>>> 3rd : If you have so much money or so good idea don't ask people >>>>>>>>>>> to sign contract or stuff like that. Prove yourself before trying >>>>>>>>>>> to get >>>>>>>>>>> people tested. >>>>>>>>>>> 4rd : La charue avant les boeufs is a french expression. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you need help i can provide you some advice in private >>>>>>>>>>> message but i'm not a teacher i'm Engineer. (P.S i'm VERY expensive >>>>>>>>>>> :p ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll be back. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Le mer. 13 mars 2019 à 20:54, JRTA <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will say, also, that it does seem like I am in the wrong >>>>>>>>>>>> place. Despite that fact I have picked up some great info from >>>>>>>>>>>> people that >>>>>>>>>>>> have been very patient and helpful to a total noob. I am really >>>>>>>>>>>> grateful >>>>>>>>>>>> for the help I have received in pointing me in the right direction >>>>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>>>> field that is quite the rabbit hole. There are definitely other >>>>>>>>>>>> ways to >>>>>>>>>>>> find the people I am looking for. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 8:50:33 AM UTC-5, Sarah Connorh >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, could you stop marijuana ? :D >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Firstval : opencog, even if i love you guys, that's a crap. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The AGI isn't close to be finished. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd : You can't pay someone to teach you everything, you have >>>>>>>>>>>>> to work too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd : Facial recognition voice recognition etc, are you even >>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do a pathfinder bro ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't put "la charue avant les roues" bro ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le mar. 12 mars 2019 à 20:03, JRTA <[email protected]> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the response Curtis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to stretch the definition of a mentor here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. Below is the start of what I hope to accomplish, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplish I mean "pay, and, or manage many other people doing" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>> studying myself and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping where ever I can through assignments you/others will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> give me related to what ever task is priority. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My ultimate goal is a crowd funded separate/related project >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is more NN, bottom up, but this is Opencog so lets talk on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points for now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it seems like we are a fit and decide to move forward I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will need 2 personal references that I can verify by phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preferably a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supervisor and a pastor. We should work through rent-a-coder or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a platform >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can provide you with references via a former employee and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pastor from our church. I haven't had a supervisor since 1999. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can tell me your background through talking on each of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these points. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The AI: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Friend >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Located in the cloud to interact in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> car/phone/home/space ship (wink), etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Facial recognition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Voice recognition >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Able to recognize police cars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Recognize pedestrians >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Assist like: "hey google", Cortana, and Seri, but more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehensive. No pun intended. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. Recognize bio signs, heart rate respiration, perspiration, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. Analyze user voice, and voices in conversation with it as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well as in the surrounding area surrounding area for emotional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> state and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else which it is able to discern. ( not for spying, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety of the user ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. Recognize and respond to users emotional state both >>>>>>>>>>>>>> therapeutically and in and effort to "relate" (for lack of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better word). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. Utilize the users emotional state (as well as emotion in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> general) as a physical/mathematical indicator for prioritizing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weighed against its own cognitive processes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. The AI should actively "study" (what ever that looks like) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>>> music >>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and relate these back to theoretical and non theoretical >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantum physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am entirely serious. Should we end up talking about my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other project later on this will all make more sense, but for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now I can not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait to hear what you have to say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 2:37:33 PM UTC-5, Curtis Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faith wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are still looking let me know please. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive experience in the codebase. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Curtis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM JRTA <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My coding experience is limited to the basics of Python, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a few web pages with Dreamweaver and some minor work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> micro processors. I have no formal computer science education, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick things up intuitively once I spend a bit of time on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foremost a musician an artist with a strong marketing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launched and run several companies in my life and work well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a team. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have achieved many things with the help of others and by using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teams of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interns. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While overly ambitious, this project has been at the top of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my bucket list for a long time. I am willing to put some money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project. I'm not wealthy by any means and have a moderate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disposable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income. Right now I feel like I'm missing some parts of what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is needed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu just to get started. Most of the commands in the build >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not recognized. I am about 2 days into this, never worked with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. Don't tell me I can't do it because I won't listen to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that and will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed do it. XD I am just learning to find my way around the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have probably missed some essential basic starting pieces >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed before I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can build the project. I did do the manual build and got most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only to fail at the end. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently work nights Ubering in a bad ass sports car. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a good chunk of free time to work on this. I am going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgo video >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaming and Netflix to focus on this. 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