Since we're off-topic... I have the belief that if humanity decides to switch to an open source world, by refusing, to the best they can, to consume goods and services coming from closed source technology, the world would become more just, abundant and efficient pretty much overnight.

The good news is that it is happening, slowly though...

https://drewdevault.com/2019/01/15/Im-doing-FOSS-full-time.html

Nil

On 3/15/19 10:37 PM, Sarah Connorh wrote:
cuz MONEY Ivan !

Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 20:47, Ivan V. <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

    It should be an honor to contribute the society with a new valuable
    idea. So why are we such a bastards?

    pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 20:38 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> napisao je:

        +1000

        i'll be gees

        Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 19:29, Ivan V. <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

            And I hate the fact that who first clues up an idea/process,
            has the power to restrict its use by copyright. What if
            someone independently clues up the same thing? Free sharing
            is fine then, I have no better way.

            pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 19:17 Ivan V. <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> napisao je:

                Though, I have to admit, each of us owe a heaven for all
                the knowledge inherited from the history.

                But human bureaucracy is a stupid mess. Someone better
                have a smart idea on that behalf.

                pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 19:10 Sarah Connorh
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                napisao je:

                    P.S : ooops forgive me for the last sentence, read
                    too fast


                    Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 19:09, Sarah Connorh
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a
                    écrit :

                        Yeah pretty false, most of great ideas are
                        shared by different creators in the time. Look
                        at our history, many concepts were created
                        multiple times at different location. Because we
                        got "collective intelligence" and ideas are
                        shared by mans, you can't say that one idea is
                        yours, because it is the global knowledge of the
                        entire humanity that put you there.

                        Ideas litteraly fall from the sky. And many
                        scientist can tell you they discover something
                        trying to do another things. That's life shit
                        happened, and good things thu.

                        Btw i'm not a girl. I'm a cyborg.

                        Everything is okey, but we can elevate the
                        discussion above the "fok communism bureaucracy"
                        thing.

                        Regards


                        Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 18:54, Ivan V.
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

                            Sarah Connorh,

                            I know you are a girl and therefore
                            super-smart regarding to boys, but forgive
                            me to be that much direct.

                            It happens that I suspect how ideas and
                            visions are born. There is some unwritten
                            Universe rule that says that there is no
                            white without black, no music without a
                            noise, no smile without a tear, no birth
                            without a death, and as everything else, no
                            good idea without a junk mess. Ideas don't
                            just fall from the sky. Someone somewhere
                            did a freaking mess for someone else to get
                            a freaking good idea (could be the same
                            person, but not necessarily). I'm of opinion
                            that that someone who suffered to conceive
                            an idea is in complete ownership of the
                            same, and should be consulted before using it.

                            But that's not how humans behave. We use
                            what we can to get the things we want.
                            Bureaucracy tries to protect sides from
                            exploiting, but the Universe is the one that
                            levels everything afterwards (or beforewards).

                            I hope this makes sense.

                            In a hope that everything is OK,
                            Ivan V.

                            pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 18:00 Ivan V.
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> napisao je:

                                That's human burocracy mumbojumbo i
                                don't believe in.

                                If someone has dragged their soul
                                through hell to produce an idea, is it
                                fair to be reluctant to use that idea
                                without permission?

                                pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:54 Sarah Connorh
                                <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> napisao je:

                                    But you can't protect it. An idea
                                    belong to the  humanity and can't be
                                    copyrighted, only technical
                                    processes (linked to this idea) can
                                    be. (And even that, i don't share.
                                    I'm for open source in every fields,
                                    not only IT, but i respect the
                                    choice of some people to get money
                                    for their work)

                                    Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 17:51, Ivan
                                    V. <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :

                                        Some ideas are result of a hard
                                        work.

                                        pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:01 Sarah
                                        Connorh <[email protected]
                                        <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                        napisao je:

                                            PLUS : You gotta to know
                                            something. An IDEA CAN'T be
                                            protected, only a process.
                                            You can't protect the idea
                                            of "creating a Emotionnal
                                            AI" but you can protect your
                                            source code.
                                            Your IDEA is NOT
                                            protectable. You have to
                                            know HOW to do it and
                                            protect the WAY you do it. :)

                                            cheers !

                                            Le jeu. 14 mars 2019
                                            à 16:25, JRTA
                                            <[email protected]
                                            <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                            a écrit :

                                                Funny thing is I do have
                                                a brand new idea but im
                                                not interested in
                                                getting rich. It'ts
                                                probably stupid but I
                                                still wouldn't talk
                                                about it with out
                                                protecting it.
                                                ..
                                                On Thursday, March 14,
                                                2019 at 9:21:45 AM
                                                UTC-5, Sarah Connorh wrote:

                                                    JRTA : Sorry but we
                                                    saw people like you
                                                    everyday that have
                                                    the brand new IDEA
                                                    that will make them
                                                    rich. And seriously,
                                                    don't do ever again
                                                    the "come sign a
                                                    contract" people
                                                    will laugh the fuck
                                                    out of you you don't
                                                    even imagine.
                                                    Firstval a
                                                    pathfinder isn't
                                                    even an IA is just
                                                    one of the basics
                                                    concepts you have to
                                                    understand before
                                                    wanting to do a real
                                                    IA. you can find
                                                    more on :
                                                    
https://www.w3resource.com/c-programming-exercises/
                                                    2nd : If you are
                                                    looking for a
                                                    teacher this is the
                                                    wrong place you
                                                    should go on
                                                    Teachers platform.
                                                    3rd : If you have so
                                                    much money or so
                                                    good idea don't ask
                                                    people to sign
                                                    contract or stuff
                                                    like that. Prove
                                                    yourself before
                                                    trying to get people
                                                    tested.
                                                    4rd : La charue
                                                    avant les boeufs is
                                                    a french expression.

                                                    If you need help i
                                                    can provide you some
                                                    advice in private
                                                    message but i'm not
                                                    a teacher i'm
                                                    Engineer. (P.S i'm
                                                    VERY expensive :p )

                                                    Regards

                                                    I'll be back.

                                                    Le mer. 13 mars 2019
                                                    à 20:54, JRTA
                                                    <[email protected]>
                                                    a écrit :

                                                        I will say,
                                                        also, that it
                                                        does seem like I
                                                        am in the wrong
                                                        place. Despite
                                                        that fact I have
                                                        picked up some
                                                        great info from
                                                        people that have
                                                        been very
                                                        patient and
                                                        helpful to a
                                                        total noob.  I
                                                        am really
                                                        grateful for the
                                                        help I have
                                                        received in
                                                        pointing me in
                                                        the right
                                                        direction in a
                                                        field that is
                                                        quite the rabbit
                                                        hole. There are
                                                        definitely
                                                        other  ways to
                                                        find the people
                                                        I am looking for.

                                                        Jason

                                                        On Wednesday,
                                                        March 13, 2019
                                                        at 8:50:33 AM
                                                        UTC-5, Sarah
                                                        Connorh wrote:

                                                            Hey guys,
                                                            could you
                                                            stop
                                                            marijuana ? :D

                                                            Firstval :
                                                            opencog,
                                                            even if i
                                                            love you
                                                            guys, that's
                                                            a crap. The
                                                            AGI isn't
                                                            close to be
                                                            finished.
                                                            2nd :  You
                                                            can't pay
                                                            someone to
                                                            teach you
                                                            everything,
                                                            you have to
                                                            work too.
                                                            3rd : Facial
                                                            recognition
                                                            voice
                                                            recognition
                                                            etc, are you
                                                            even able to
                                                            do a
                                                            pathfinder bro ?

                                                            Don't put
                                                            "la charue
                                                            avant les
                                                            roues" bro !

                                                            ;)

                                                            Le mar. 12
                                                            mars 2019
                                                            à 20:03,
                                                            JRTA
                                                            <[email protected]>
                                                            a écrit :

                                                                Thank
                                                                you for
                                                                the
                                                                response
                                                                Curtis.

                                                                I am
                                                                going to
                                                                stretch
                                                                the
                                                                definition
                                                                of a
                                                                mentor
                                                                here
considerably. Below is
                                                                the
                                                                start of
                                                                what I
                                                                hope to
                                                                accomplish,
                                                                and by
                                                                accomplish
                                                                I mean
                                                                "pay,
                                                                and, or
                                                                manage
                                                                many
                                                                other
                                                                people
                                                                doing"
                                                                while
                                                                studying
                                                                myself and
                                                                helping
                                                                where
                                                                ever I
                                                                can
                                                                through
                                                                assignments
                                                                you/others
                                                                will
                                                                give me
                                                                related
                                                                to what
                                                                ever
                                                                task is
                                                                priority.

                                                                My
                                                                ultimate
                                                                goal is
                                                                a crowd
                                                                funded
                                                                separate/related
                                                                project
                                                                that is
                                                                more NN,
                                                                bottom
                                                                up, but
                                                                this is
                                                                Opencog
                                                                so lets
                                                                talk on
                                                                these
                                                                points
                                                                for now.
                                                                If it
                                                                seems
                                                                like we
                                                                are a
                                                                fit and
                                                                decide
                                                                to move
                                                                forward
                                                                I will
                                                                need 2
                                                                personal
                                                                references
                                                                that I
                                                                can
                                                                verify
                                                                by
                                                                phone.
                                                                Preferably
                                                                a
                                                                supervisor
                                                                and a
                                                                pastor.
                                                                We
                                                                should
                                                                work
                                                                through
                                                                rent-a-coder
                                                                or a
                                                                platform
                                                                like it.
                                                                I can
                                                                provide
                                                                you with
                                                                references
                                                                via a
                                                                former
                                                                employee
                                                                and a
                                                                pastor
                                                                from our
                                                                church.
                                                                I
                                                                haven't
                                                                had a
                                                                supervisor
                                                                since 1999.

                                                                You can
                                                                tell me
                                                                your
                                                                background
                                                                through
                                                                talking
                                                                on each
                                                                of these
                                                                points.

                                                                The AI:

                                                                1. Friend

                                                                2. Teacher

                                                                3.
                                                                Located
                                                                in the
                                                                cloud to
                                                                interact
                                                                in the
                                                                
car/phone/home/space
                                                                ship
                                                                (wink), etc.

                                                                4.
                                                                Facial
                                                                recognition.


                                                                5. Voice
                                                                recognition

                                                                6. Able
                                                                to
                                                                recognize police
                                                                cars.

                                                                7.
                                                                Recognize 
pedestrians

                                                                8.
                                                                Assist
                                                                like:
                                                                "hey
                                                                google",
                                                                Cortana,
                                                                and
                                                                Seri,
                                                                but more
                                                                comprehensive.
                                                                No pun
                                                                intended.

                                                                9.
                                                                Recognize bio
                                                                signs,
                                                                heart
                                                                rate
                                                                respiration,
                                                                perspiration,
                                                                ect.

                                                                10.
                                                                Analyze
                                                                user
                                                                voice,
                                                                and
                                                                voices
                                                                in
                                                                conversation
                                                                with it
                                                                as well
                                                                as in
                                                                the
                                                                surrounding
                                                                area
                                                                surrounding
                                                                area for
                                                                emotional state
                                                                and
                                                                anything
                                                                else
                                                                which it
                                                                is able
                                                                to
                                                                discern.
                                                                ( not
                                                                for
                                                                spying,
                                                                but for
                                                                the
                                                                safety
                                                                of the
                                                                user )

                                                                11.
                                                                Recognize and
                                                                respond
                                                                to users
                                                                emotional state
                                                                both
                                                                therapeutically
                                                                and in
                                                                and
                                                                effort
                                                                to
                                                                "relate"
                                                                (for
                                                                lack of
                                                                a better
                                                                word).

                                                                12.
                                                                Utilize
                                                                the
                                                                users
                                                                emotional state
                                                                (as well
                                                                as
                                                                emotion
                                                                in
                                                                general)
                                                                as a
                                                                
physical/mathematical
                                                                indicator for
                                                                prioritizing
                                                                decisions,
                                                                weighed
                                                                against
                                                                its own
                                                                cognitive 
processes.

                                                                13. The
                                                                AI
                                                                should
                                                                actively
                                                                "study"
                                                                (what
                                                                ever
                                                                that
                                                                looks like)

                                                                consciousness
                                                                philosophy
                                                                love
                                                                music
                                                                religion

                                                                - and
                                                                relate
                                                                these
                                                                back to
                                                                theoretical
                                                                and non
                                                                theoretical
                                                                quantum
                                                                physics

                                                                I am
                                                                entirely
                                                                serious.
                                                                Should
                                                                we end
                                                                up
                                                                talking
                                                                about my
                                                                other
                                                                project
                                                                later on
                                                                this
                                                                will all
                                                                make
                                                                more
                                                                sense,
                                                                but for
                                                                now I
                                                                can not
                                                                wait to
                                                                hear
                                                                what you
                                                                have to say.

                                                                Jason









                                                                On
                                                                Monday,
                                                                March
                                                                11, 2019
                                                                at
                                                                2:37:33
                                                                PM
                                                                UTC-5,
                                                                Curtis
                                                                Michael
                                                                Faith wrote:

                                                                    If
                                                                    you
                                                                    are
                                                                    still 
looking
                                                                    let
                                                                    me
                                                                    know
                                                                    please.
                                                                    I
                                                                    have
                                                                    extensive
                                                                    experience
                                                                    in
                                                                    the
                                                                    codebase.

                                                                    - Curtis

                                                                    On
                                                                    Fri,
                                                                    Mar
                                                                    1,
                                                                    2019
                                                                    at
                                                                    5:31
                                                                    PM
                                                                    JRTA
                                                                    
<[email protected]>
                                                                    wrote:

                                                                        My
                                                                        coding
                                                                        
experience
                                                                        is
                                                                        limited
                                                                        to
                                                                        the
                                                                        basics
                                                                        of
                                                                        Python,
                                                                        building
                                                                        a few
                                                                        web
                                                                        pages
                                                                        with
                                                                        
Dreamweaver
                                                                        and
                                                                        some
                                                                        minor
                                                                        work
                                                                        
programming
                                                                        micro
                                                                        
processors.
                                                                        I have
                                                                        no
                                                                        formal
                                                                        computer
                                                                        science
                                                                        
education,
                                                                        but
                                                                        seem
                                                                        to
                                                                        pick
                                                                        things
                                                                        up
                                                                        
intuitively
                                                                        once
                                                                        I spend
                                                                        a bit
                                                                        of
                                                                        time
                                                                        on
                                                                        
anything.
                                                                        I am
                                                                        foremost
                                                                        a 
musician
an artist
                                                                        with
                                                                        a strong
                                                                        
marketing
                                                                        
background.  I
                                                                        have
                                                                        launched
                                                                        and
                                                                        run
                                                                        several
                                                                        
companies
                                                                        in
                                                                        my
                                                                        life
                                                                        and
                                                                        work
                                                                        well
                                                                        with
                                                                        a team.
                                                                        I have
                                                                        achieved
                                                                        many
                                                                        things
                                                                        with
                                                                        the
                                                                        help
                                                                        of
                                                                        others
                                                                        and
                                                                        by
                                                                        using
                                                                        teams
                                                                        of
                                                                        interns.

                                                                        While
                                                                        overly
                                                                        
ambitious,
                                                                        this
                                                                        project
                                                                        has
                                                                        been
                                                                        at
                                                                        the
                                                                        top
                                                                        of
                                                                        my
                                                                        bucket
                                                                        list
                                                                        for
                                                                        a long
                                                                        time.
                                                                        I am
                                                                        willing
                                                                        to
                                                                        put
                                                                        some
                                                                        money
                                                                        into
                                                                        this
                                                                        project.
                                                                        I'm
                                                                        not
                                                                        wealthy
                                                                        by
                                                                        any
                                                                        means
                                                                        and
                                                                        have
                                                                        a 
moderate
                                                                        
disposable
                                                                        income.
                                                                        Right
                                                                        now
                                                                        I feel
                                                                        like
                                                                        I'm
                                                                        missing
                                                                        some
                                                                        parts
                                                                        of
                                                                        what
                                                                        is
                                                                        needed
                                                                        in
                                                                        ubuntu
                                                                        just
                                                                        to
                                                                        get
                                                                        started.
                                                                        Most
                                                                        of
                                                                        the
                                                                        commands
                                                                        in
                                                                        the
                                                                        build
                                                                        scripts
                                                                        are
                                                                        not
                                                                        
recognized.
                                                                        I am
                                                                        about
                                                                        2 days
                                                                        into
                                                                        this,
                                                                        never
                                                                        worked
                                                                        with
                                                                        Linux
                                                                        before
                                                                        either.
                                                                        Don't
                                                                        tell
                                                                        me
                                                                        I can't
                                                                        do
                                                                        it
                                                                        because
                                                                        I won't
                                                                        listen
                                                                        to
                                                                        that
                                                                        and
                                                                        will
                                                                        indeed
                                                                        do
                                                                        it.
XD I am
                                                                        just
                                                                        learning
                                                                        to
                                                                        find
                                                                        my
                                                                        way
                                                                        around
                                                                        the
                                                                        wiki
                                                                        and
                                                                        have
                                                                        probably
                                                                        missed
                                                                        some
                                                                        
essential
                                                                        basic
                                                                        starting
                                                                        pieces
                                                                        needed
                                                                        before
                                                                        I can
                                                                        build
                                                                        the
                                                                        project.
                                                                        I did
                                                                        do
                                                                        the
                                                                        manual
                                                                        build
                                                                        and
                                                                        got
                                                                        most
                                                                        of
                                                                        the
                                                                        way
                                                                        only
                                                                        to
                                                                        fail
                                                                        at
                                                                        the
                                                                        end.


                                                                        I 
currently
                                                                        work
                                                                        nights
                                                                        Ubering
                                                                        in
                                                                        a bad
                                                                        ass
                                                                        sports
                                                                        car.
                                                                        I have
                                                                        a good
                                                                        chunk
                                                                        of
                                                                        free
                                                                        time
                                                                        to
                                                                        work
                                                                        on
                                                                        this.
                                                                        I am
                                                                        going
                                                                        to
                                                                        forgo
                                                                        video
                                                                        gaming
                                                                        and
                                                                        Netflix
                                                                        to
                                                                        focus
                                                                        on
                                                                        this.
                                                                        I 
strongly
                                                                        believe,
                                                                        despite
                                                                        my
                                                                        meager
                                                                        
qualifications,
                                                                        that
                                                                        I can
                                                                        become
                                                                        an
                                                                        asset
                                                                        to
                                                                        this
                                                                        project
                                                                        for
                                                                        the
                                                                        long
                                                                        term
                                                                        and
                                                                        am
                                                                        willing
                                                                        to
                                                                        help
                                                                        others
                                                                        in
                                                                        any
                                                                        way
                                                                        I can.


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