Sarah the cyborg, we better behave. If not, they'll quadriceps us.

ned, 17. ožu 2019. u 15:36 Ivan V. <[email protected]> napisao je:

> It would be more efficient to perform a mass hypnosis over the world wide
> web.
>
> Also, brain implants would help, I think. When you enter the site, that's
> it, you're caught. Then, when you move the mouse outside the site's
> rectangle, an electrical shock would be ignited into one's brain. Can't
> miss with this one.
>
> They'll halfceps, I'm telling you
>
> ned, 17. ožu 2019. u 08:07 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]> napisao je:
>
>> Hi Linas
>>
>> Tx for ur feedback. I approved it !
>>
>> btw i've discussed with a friend of mine that is geneticist about the
>> role played by our hormones systèmes. Should we implement a Thyroid system
>> into the reflexion system (LIKE -> Hypophis -> Thyroid -> Hypothalamus ->
>> Exploration -> STATE -> Exploitation)  to the project to improve the human
>> like side ?
>>
>> I'll biceps
>>
>>
>> Le dim. 17 mars 2019 à 03:20, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks Sarah!
>>>
>>> The generation of ideas, and the representation of them as bits&bytes,
>>> and the curation of them (rejecting bad ideas) is one of the central tasks
>>> of AGI.
>>>
>>> -- All the truisms you can say about ideas are .. true.  Yes, they are a
>>> dime-a-dozen. Yes, sometimes they are really hard to stumble across. 1%
>>> inspiration, 99% perspiration. Yes, sometimes the best ideas are right
>>> under your nose, where you don't even notice them. It can take decades to
>>> get one good idea.
>>>
>>> -- Telling apart good ideas from bad ones can be really hard. Depends on
>>> how much feedback you get from nature. In engineering, bad ideas result in
>>> bridges that fall down and ships that sink. Feedback is pretty direct and
>>> punishing. In human biomedical research, feedback is poor: you get studies
>>> that have a 5% effect with p<0.05 for 48 subjects in 11 weeks.  That's a
>>> lot of work for questionable, mediocre results. In macroeconomics/politics,
>>> there's almost no feedback. Should we spend less? spend more? run a
>>> deficit? tighten our belts?  regulate banks? trade? deregulate banks,
>>> trade? Join the EU? Leave the EU?  Its almost total chaos, and darned
>>> little science.  And then there's the "global brain" -- i.e. the sum-total
>>> of facebook posts -- and the "ideas" it thinks about -- it is hallucinating
>>> flat-earth and anti-vaxx and moon-landing denial. The global brain is
>>> filled to the brim with new and exciting ideas, and a large fraction of
>>> those are insane. Some ideas are openly hostile to sanity: QAnon is
>>> designed to trigger and reinforce mental illness. And it's effective; it
>>> works. (Innoculate now.)  You really should think of the global-brain as
>>> proto-AGI, and then realize that proto-AGI will hallucinate.  And it risks
>>> taking the human race down with it.
>>>
>>> -- Capitalism. There's good, and there's bad. The good: buy something on
>>> Amazon, it arrives on your doorstep, and the incredibly vast complexity of
>>> generating that product is hidden behind a simple GUI.   It's great! As an
>>> intelligence, its nice to not deal with the mundane, and devote time/energy
>>> to "what really matters", to work without friction and impediment.
>>> Capitalism/money offers this. The bad:  Capitalism cannot tell the
>>> difference between beneficial behavior, and destructive behavior. What's
>>> the difference between an open-source coder, a musician, and a meth addict
>>> (vodka-drunk, for you eastern europeans)? Answer: None, as far as
>>> capitalism is concerned. All three use modest amounts of cash to buy just
>>> enough capitalist goods to survive.  De facto, we have no effective system
>>> for telling these three classes apart, and supporting the ones that we
>>> want. De facto, there's no coherent path forward from here, where we are,
>>> to a post-capitalist, woofie-based economy.
>>>
>>> -- Machine learning. A "good idea" is not the same thing as a "true idea
>>> that is not valuable". For example, algorithmic proof assistants can
>>> generate thousands of mathematical theorems in minutes, most of which are
>>> stunningly boring to humans. They may be true, but .. useless. Like
>>> spending all day doing deep fractal zooms... after a while, you realize
>>> that you've seen more-or-less the same thing over and over, even though
>>> they are each technically slightly different. Only a few are truly unique
>>> and worth noticing.  This problem of "all almost alike" plagues all aspects
>>> of machine learning:  there's combinatoric explosions, most of which are ..
>>> boring.  And we have no effective theory for taming them (aside from "lucky
>>> insights" like back-propagation, if you are lucky enough to spot a network
>>> structure and map back-propagation onto it.)
>>>
>>> Linas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 1:09 PM Sarah Connorh <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah pretty false, most of great ideas are shared by different creators
>>>> in the time. Look at our history, many concepts were created multiple times
>>>> at different location. Because we got "collective intelligence" and ideas
>>>> are shared by mans, you can't say that one idea is yours, because it is the
>>>> global knowledge of the entire humanity that put you there.
>>>>
>>>> Ideas litteraly fall from the sky. And many scientist can tell you they
>>>> discover something trying to do another things. That's life shit happened,
>>>> and good things thu.
>>>>
>>>> Btw i'm not a girl. I'm a cyborg.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is okey, but we can elevate the discussion above the "fok
>>>> communism bureaucracy" thing.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 18:54, Ivan V. <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Sarah Connorh,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you are a girl and therefore super-smart regarding to boys, but
>>>>> forgive me to be that much direct.
>>>>>
>>>>> It happens that I suspect how ideas and visions are born. There is
>>>>> some unwritten Universe rule that says that there is no white without
>>>>> black, no music without a noise, no smile without a tear, no birth without
>>>>> a death, and as everything else, no good idea without a junk mess. Ideas
>>>>> don't just fall from the sky. Someone somewhere did a freaking mess for
>>>>> someone else to get a freaking good idea (could be the same person, but 
>>>>> not
>>>>> necessarily). I'm of opinion that that someone who suffered to conceive an
>>>>> idea is in complete ownership of the same, and should be consulted before
>>>>> using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's not how humans behave. We use what we can to get the things
>>>>> we want. Bureaucracy tries to protect sides from exploiting, but the
>>>>> Universe is the one that levels everything afterwards (or beforewards).
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a hope that everything is OK,
>>>>> Ivan V.
>>>>>
>>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 18:00 Ivan V. <[email protected]> napisao je:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's human burocracy mumbojumbo i don't believe in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone has dragged their soul through hell to produce an idea, is
>>>>>> it fair to be reluctant to use that idea without permission?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:54 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]>
>>>>>> napisao je:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't protect it. An idea belong to the  humanity and can't
>>>>>>> be copyrighted, only technical processes (linked to this idea) can be. 
>>>>>>> (And
>>>>>>> even that, i don't share. I'm for open source in every fields, not only 
>>>>>>> IT,
>>>>>>> but i respect the choice of some people to get money for their work)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 17:51, Ivan V. <[email protected]> a
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some ideas are result of a hard work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:01 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> napisao je:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PLUS : You gotta to know something. An IDEA CAN'T be protected,
>>>>>>>>> only a process. You can't protect the idea of "creating a Emotionnal 
>>>>>>>>> AI"
>>>>>>>>> but you can protect your source code.
>>>>>>>>> Your IDEA is NOT protectable. You have to know HOW to do it and
>>>>>>>>> protect the WAY you do it. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cheers !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le jeu. 14 mars 2019 à 16:25, JRTA <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I do have a brand new idea but im not interested
>>>>>>>>>> in getting rich. It'ts probably stupid but I still wouldn't talk 
>>>>>>>>>> about it
>>>>>>>>>> with out protecting it.
>>>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 9:21:45 AM UTC-5, Sarah Connorh
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JRTA : Sorry but we saw people like you everyday that have the
>>>>>>>>>>> brand new IDEA that will make them rich. And seriously, don't do 
>>>>>>>>>>> ever again
>>>>>>>>>>> the "come sign a contract" people will laugh the fuck out of you 
>>>>>>>>>>> you don't
>>>>>>>>>>> even imagine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Firstval a pathfinder isn't even an IA is just one of the basics
>>>>>>>>>>> concepts you have to understand before wanting to do a real IA. you 
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> find more on :
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.w3resource.com/c-programming-exercises/
>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd : If you are looking for a teacher this is the wrong place
>>>>>>>>>>> you should go on Teachers platform.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd : If you have so much money or so good idea don't ask people
>>>>>>>>>>> to sign contract or stuff like that. Prove yourself before trying 
>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>> people tested.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4rd : La charue avant les boeufs is a french expression.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you need help i can provide you some advice in private
>>>>>>>>>>> message but i'm not a teacher i'm Engineer. (P.S i'm VERY expensive 
>>>>>>>>>>> :p )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Le mer. 13 mars 2019 à 20:54, JRTA <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will say, also, that it does seem like I am in the wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>> place. Despite that fact I have picked up some great info from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people that
>>>>>>>>>>>> have been very patient and helpful to a total noob.  I am really 
>>>>>>>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the help I have received in pointing me in the right direction 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> field that is quite the rabbit hole. There are definitely other  
>>>>>>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>> find the people I am looking for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 8:50:33 AM UTC-5, Sarah Connorh
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, could you stop marijuana ? :D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firstval : opencog, even if i love you guys, that's a crap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The AGI isn't close to be finished.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd :  You can't pay someone to teach you everything, you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd : Facial recognition voice recognition etc, are you even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do a pathfinder bro ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't put "la charue avant les roues" bro !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le mar. 12 mars 2019 à 20:03, JRTA <[email protected]> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the response Curtis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am going to stretch the definition of a mentor here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably.  Below is the start of what I hope to accomplish, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplish I mean "pay, and, or manage many other people doing" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studying myself and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping where ever I can through assignments you/others will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give me related to what ever task is priority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My ultimate goal is a crowd funded separate/related project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is more NN, bottom up, but this is Opencog so lets talk on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it seems like we are a fit and decide to move forward I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will need 2 personal references that I can verify by phone. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preferably a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supervisor and a pastor. We should work through rent-a-coder or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a platform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can provide you with references via a former employee and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pastor from our church. I haven't had a supervisor since 1999.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can tell me your background through talking on each of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The AI:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Located in the cloud to interact in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car/phone/home/space ship (wink), etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Facial recognition.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Voice recognition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Able to recognize police cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Recognize pedestrians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Assist like: "hey google", Cortana, and Seri, but more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehensive. No pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. Recognize bio signs, heart rate respiration, perspiration,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. Analyze user voice, and voices in conversation with it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well as in the surrounding area surrounding area for emotional 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else which it is able to discern. ( not for spying, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety of the user )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11. Recognize and respond to users emotional state both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therapeutically and in and effort to "relate" (for lack of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better word).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12. Utilize the users emotional state (as well as emotion in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general) as a physical/mathematical indicator for prioritizing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weighed against its own cognitive processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13. The AI should actively "study" (what ever that looks like)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and relate these back to theoretical and non theoretical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantum physics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am entirely serious. Should we end up talking about my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other project later on this will all make more sense, but for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now I can not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait to hear what you have to say.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2019 at 2:37:33 PM UTC-5, Curtis Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are still looking let me know please. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extensive experience in the codebase.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Curtis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM JRTA <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My coding experience is limited to the basics of Python,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a few web pages with Dreamweaver and some minor work 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> micro processors. I have no formal computer science education, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick things up intuitively once I spend a bit of time on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foremost a musician an  artist with a strong marketing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.  I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launched and run several companies in my life and work well 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a team. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have achieved many things with the help of others and by using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teams of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While overly ambitious, this project has been at the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my bucket list for a long time. I am willing to put some money 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project. I'm not wealthy by any means and have a moderate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disposable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income. Right now I feel like I'm missing some parts of what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is needed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu just to get started. Most of the commands in the build 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not recognized. I am about 2 days into this, never worked with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. Don't tell me I can't do it because I won't listen to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that and will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed do it. XD  I am just learning to find my way around the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have probably missed some essential basic starting pieces 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed before I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can build the project. I did do the manual build and got most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only to fail at the end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently work nights Ubering in a bad ass sports car. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a good chunk of free time to work on this. I am going to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgo video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaming and Netflix to focus on this. I strongly believe, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite my meager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications, that I can become an asset to this project for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term and am willing to help others in any way I can.
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