On 3/16/19 9:53 AM, Ivan V. wrote:
@Nil
There is something deep down in human hearts. We are not meant to work for stupid money. We are meant to work to make each other happy.

Amen to that.

Well, in all fairness we have all sides within ourselves, the selfish prick who wants all the resources, and the altruistic soul who wants to help others. Evolution has given us a variety of tools for a variety of situations. In today's world however I like to believe the altruistic side can prevail.

Nil



sub, 16. ožu 2019. u 06:48 'Nil Geisweiller' via opencog <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> napisao je:

    Since we're off-topic... I have the belief that if humanity decides to
    switch to an open source world, by refusing, to the best they can, to
    consume goods and services coming from closed source technology, the
    world would become more just, abundant and efficient pretty much
    overnight.

    The good news is that it is happening, slowly though...

    https://drewdevault.com/2019/01/15/Im-doing-FOSS-full-time.html

    Nil

    On 3/15/19 10:37 PM, Sarah Connorh wrote:
     > cuz MONEY Ivan !
     >
     > Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 20:47, Ivan V. <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> a
    écrit :
     >
     >     It should be an honor to contribute the society with a new
    valuable
     >     idea. So why are we such a bastards?
     >
     >     pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 20:38 Sarah Connorh <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
    napisao je:
     >
     >         +1000
     >
     >         i'll be gees
     >
     >         Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 19:29, Ivan V.
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
     >         <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> a écrit :
     >
     >             And I hate the fact that who first clues up an
    idea/process,
     >             has the power to restrict its use by copyright. What if
     >             someone independently clues up the same thing? Free
    sharing
     >             is fine then, I have no better way.
     >
     >             pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 19:17 Ivan V.
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
     >             <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> napisao je:
     >
     >                 Though, I have to admit, each of us owe a heaven
    for all
     >                 the knowledge inherited from the history.
     >
     >                 But human bureaucracy is a stupid mess. Someone
    better
     >                 have a smart idea on that behalf.
     >
     >                 pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 19:10 Sarah Connorh
     >                 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >                 napisao je:
     >
     >                     P.S : ooops forgive me for the last sentence,
    read
     >                     too fast
     >
     >
     >                     Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 19:09, Sarah Connorh
     >                     <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> a
     >                     écrit :
     >
     >                         Yeah pretty false, most of great ideas are
     >                         shared by different creators in the time.
    Look
     >                         at our history, many concepts were created
     >                         multiple times at different location.
    Because we
     >                         got "collective intelligence" and ideas are
     >                         shared by mans, you can't say that one
    idea is
     >                         yours, because it is the global knowledge
    of the
     >                         entire humanity that put you there.
     >
     >                         Ideas litteraly fall from the sky. And many
     >                         scientist can tell you they discover
    something
     >                         trying to do another things. That's life shit
     >                         happened, and good things thu.
     >
     >                         Btw i'm not a girl. I'm a cyborg.
     >
     >                         Everything is okey, but we can elevate the
     >                         discussion above the "fok communism
    bureaucracy"
     >                         thing.
     >
     >                         Regards
     >
     >
     >                         Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 18:54, Ivan V.
     >                         <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >                         <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> a écrit :
     >
     >                             Sarah Connorh,
     >
     >                             I know you are a girl and therefore
     >                             super-smart regarding to boys, but
    forgive
     >                             me to be that much direct.
     >
     >                             It happens that I suspect how ideas and
     >                             visions are born. There is some unwritten
     >                             Universe rule that says that there is no
     >                             white without black, no music without a
     >                             noise, no smile without a tear, no birth
     >                             without a death, and as everything
    else, no
     >                             good idea without a junk mess. Ideas
    don't
     >                             just fall from the sky. Someone somewhere
     >                             did a freaking mess for someone else
    to get
     >                             a freaking good idea (could be the same
     >                             person, but not necessarily). I'm of
    opinion
     >                             that that someone who suffered to
    conceive
     >                             an idea is in complete ownership of the
     >                             same, and should be consulted before
    using it.
     >
     >                             But that's not how humans behave. We use
     >                             what we can to get the things we want.
     >                             Bureaucracy tries to protect sides from
     >                             exploiting, but the Universe is the
    one that
     >                             levels everything afterwards (or
    beforewards).
     >
     >                             I hope this makes sense.
     >
     >                             In a hope that everything is OK,
     >                             Ivan V.
     >
     >                             pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 18:00 Ivan V.
     >                             <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >                             <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> napisao je:
     >
     >                                 That's human burocracy mumbojumbo i
     >                                 don't believe in.
     >
     >                                 If someone has dragged their soul
     >                                 through hell to produce an idea,
    is it
     >                                 fair to be reluctant to use that idea
     >                                 without permission?
     >
     >                                 pet, 15. ožu 2019. u 17:54 Sarah
    Connorh
     >                                 <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >                                 <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> napisao je:
     >
     >                                     But you can't protect it. An idea
     >                                     belong to the  humanity and
    can't be
     >                                     copyrighted, only technical
     >                                     processes (linked to this
    idea) can
     >                                     be. (And even that, i don't
    share.
     >                                     I'm for open source in every
    fields,
     >                                     not only IT, but i respect the
     >                                     choice of some people to get
    money
     >                                     for their work)
     >
     >                                     Le ven. 15 mars 2019 à 17:51,
    Ivan
     >                                     V. <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >                                     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> a écrit :
     >
     >                                         Some ideas are result of
    a hard
     >                                         work.
     >
     >                                         pet, 15. ožu 2019. u
    17:01 Sarah
     >                                         Connorh
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >                                         napisao je:
     >
     >                                             PLUS : You gotta to know
     >                                             something. An IDEA
    CAN'T be
     >                                             protected, only a
    process.
     >                                             You can't protect the
    idea
     >                                             of "creating a Emotionnal
     >                                             AI" but you can
    protect your
     >                                             source code.
     >                                             Your IDEA is NOT
     >                                             protectable. You have to
     >                                             know HOW to do it and
     >                                             protect the WAY you
    do it. :)
     >
     >                                             cheers !
     >
     >                                             Le jeu. 14 mars 2019
     >                                             à 16:25, JRTA
     >                                             <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >                                             a écrit :
     >
     >                                                 Funny thing is I
    do have
     >                                                 a brand new idea
    but im
     >                                                 not interested in
     >                                                 getting rich. It'ts
     >                                                 probably stupid but I
     >                                                 still wouldn't talk
     >                                                 about it with out
     >                                                 protecting it.
     >                                                 ..
     >                                                 On Thursday,
    March 14,
     >                                                 2019 at 9:21:45 AM
     >                                                 UTC-5, Sarah
    Connorh wrote:
     >
     >                                                     JRTA : Sorry
    but we
     >                                                     saw people
    like you
     >                                                     everyday that
    have
     >                                                     the brand new
    IDEA
     >                                                     that will
    make them
     >                                                     rich. And
    seriously,
     >                                                     don't do ever
    again
     >                                                     the "come sign a
     >                                                     contract" people
     >                                                     will laugh
    the fuck
     >                                                     out of you
    you don't
     >                                                     even imagine.
     >                                                     Firstval a
     >                                                     pathfinder isn't
     >                                                     even an IA is
    just
     >                                                     one of the basics
     >                                                     concepts you
    have to
     >                                                     understand before
     >                                                     wanting to do
    a real
     >                                                     IA. you can find
     >                                                     more on :
     > https://www.w3resource.com/c-programming-exercises/
     >                                                     2nd : If you are
     >                                                     looking for a
     >                                                     teacher this
    is the
     >                                                     wrong place you
     >                                                     should go on
     >                                                     Teachers
    platform.
     >                                                     3rd : If you
    have so
     >                                                     much money or so
     >                                                     good idea
    don't ask
     >                                                     people to sign
     >                                                     contract or stuff
     >                                                     like that. Prove
     >                                                     yourself before
     >                                                     trying to get
    people
     >                                                     tested.
     >                                                     4rd : La charue
     >                                                     avant les
    boeufs is
     >                                                     a french
    expression.
     >
     >                                                     If you need
    help i
     >                                                     can provide
    you some
     >                                                     advice in private
     >                                                     message but
    i'm not
     >                                                     a teacher i'm
     >                                                     Engineer.
    (P.S i'm
     >                                                     VERY
    expensive :p )
     >
     >                                                     Regards
     >
     >                                                     I'll be back.
     >
     >                                                     Le mer. 13
    mars 2019
     >                                                     à 20:54, JRTA
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >                                                     a écrit :
     >
     >                                                         I will say,
     >                                                         also, that it
     >                                                         does seem
    like I
     >                                                         am in the
    wrong
     >                                                         place.
    Despite
     >                                                         that fact
    I have
     >                                                         picked up
    some
     >                                                         great
    info from
     >                                                         people
    that have
     >                                                         been very
     >                                                         patient and
     >                                                         helpful to a
     >                                                         total
    noob.  I
     >                                                         am really
     >                                                         grateful
    for the
     >                                                         help I have
     >                                                         received in
     >                                                         pointing
    me in
     >                                                         the right
     >                                                         direction
    in a
     >                                                         field that is
     >                                                         quite the
    rabbit
     >                                                         hole.
    There are
     >                                                         definitely
> other ways to
     >                                                         find the
    people
     >                                                         I am
    looking for.
     >
     >                                                         Jason
     >
     >                                                         On Wednesday,
     >                                                         March 13,
    2019
     >                                                         at 8:50:33 AM
     >                                                         UTC-5, Sarah
     >                                                         Connorh
    wrote:
     >
     >                                                             Hey guys,
     >                                                             could you
     >                                                             stop
> marijuana ? :D
     >
> Firstval :
     >                                                             opencog,
     >                                                             even if i
     >                                                             love you
     >                                                             guys,
    that's
     >                                                             a
    crap. The
     >                                                             AGI isn't
     >                                                             close
    to be
     >                                                             finished.
     >                                                             2nd
    :  You
     >                                                             can't pay
> someone to
     >                                                             teach you
> everything,
     >                                                             you
    have to
     >                                                             work too.
     >                                                             3rd :
    Facial
> recognition
     >                                                             voice
> recognition
     >                                                             etc,
    are you
     >                                                             even
    able to
     >                                                             do a
> pathfinder bro ?
     >
     >                                                             Don't put
     >                                                             "la
    charue
     >                                                             avant les
> roues" bro !
     >
     >                                                             ;)
     >
> Le mar. 12
     >                                                             mars 2019
     >                                                             à 20:03,
     >                                                             JRTA
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >                                                             a écrit :
     >
     >                                                                 Thank
> you for
     >                                                                 the
> response > Curtis.
     >
     >                                                                 I am
> going to > stretch
     >                                                                 the
> definition
     >                                                                 of a
> mentor
     >                                                                 here
> considerably. > Below is
     >                                                                 the
> start of > what I > hope to > accomplish, > and by > accomplish
     >                                                                 I
    mean
     >                                                                 "pay,
> and, or > manage
     >                                                                 many
     >                                                                 other
> people > doing"
     >                                                                 while
> studying > myself and > helping
     >                                                                 where
> ever I
     >                                                                 can
> through > assignments > you/others
     >                                                                 will
> give me > related > to what
     >                                                                 ever
> task is > priority.
     >
     >                                                                 My
> ultimate > goal is
     >                                                                 a
    crowd
> funded > separate/related > project > that is > more NN, > bottom > up, but > this is > Opencog > so lets > talk on
     >                                                                 these
> points > for now.
     >                                                                 If it
     >                                                                 seems
> like we
     >                                                                 are a
> fit and > decide > to move > forward
     >                                                                 I
    will
> need 2 > personal > references > that I
     >                                                                 can
> verify
     >                                                                 by
> phone. > Preferably
     >                                                                 a
> supervisor
     >                                                                 and a
> pastor.
     >                                                                 We
> should
     >                                                                 work
> through > rent-a-coder
     >                                                                 or a
> platform > like it.
     >                                                                 I can
> provide > you with > references
     >                                                                 via a
> former > employee
     >                                                                 and a
> pastor > from our > church.
     >                                                                 I
> haven't
     >                                                                 had a
> supervisor > since 1999.
     >
> You can > tell me
     >                                                                 your
> background > through > talking > on each > of these > points.
     >
> The AI:
     >
> 1. Friend
     >
> 2. Teacher
     >
     >                                                                 3.
> Located > in the > cloud to > interact > in the > car/phone/home/space
     >                                                                 ship
> (wink), etc.
     >
     >                                                                 4.
> Facial > recognition.
     >
     >
> 5. Voice > recognition
     >
> 6. Able
     >                                                                 to
> recognize police
     >                                                                 cars.
     >
     >                                                                 7.
> Recognize pedestrians
     >
     >                                                                 8.
> Assist
     >                                                                 like:
     >                                                                 "hey
> google", > Cortana,
     >                                                                 and
     >                                                                 Seri,
> but more > comprehensive. > No pun > intended.
     >
     >                                                                 9.
> Recognize bio > signs,
     >                                                                 heart
     >                                                                 rate
> respiration, > perspiration,
     >                                                                 ect.
     >
     >                                                                 10.
> Analyze
     >                                                                 user
> voice,
     >                                                                 and
> voices
     >                                                                 in
> conversation > with it > as well
     >                                                                 as in
     >                                                                 the
> surrounding
     >                                                                 area
> surrounding > area for > emotional state
     >                                                                 and
> anything
     >                                                                 else
> which it > is able
     >                                                                 to
> discern.
     >                                                                 ( not
     >                                                                 for
> spying, > but for
     >                                                                 the
> safety > of the > user )
     >
     >                                                                 11.
> Recognize and > respond > to users > emotional state
     >                                                                 both
> therapeutically > and in
     >                                                                 and
> effort
     >                                                                 to
> "relate"
     >                                                                 (for
> lack of
     >                                                                 a
    better
> word).
     >
     >                                                                 12.
> Utilize
     >                                                                 the
     >                                                                 users
> emotional state > (as well
     >                                                                 as
> emotion
     >                                                                 in
> general)
     >                                                                 as a
> physical/mathematical > indicator for > prioritizing > decisions, > weighed > against > its own > cognitive processes.
     >
> 13. The
     >                                                                 AI
> should > actively > "study"
     >                                                                 (what
     >                                                                 ever
     >                                                                 that
> looks like)
     >
> consciousness > philosophy
     >                                                                 love
     >                                                                 music
> religion
     >
     >                                                                 - and
> relate
     >                                                                 these
> back to > theoretical > and non > theoretical > quantum > physics
     >
     >                                                                 I am
> entirely > serious. > Should > we end
     >                                                                 up
> talking > about my
     >                                                                 other
> project > later on
     >                                                                 this
> will all
     >                                                                 make
     >                                                                 more
> sense, > but for
     >                                                                 now I
> can not > wait to
     >                                                                 hear
> what you > have to say.
     >
     >                                                                 Jason
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >                                                                 On
> Monday,
     >                                                                 March
> 11, 2019
     >                                                                 at
> 2:37:33
     >                                                                 PM
> UTC-5, > Curtis > Michael > Faith wrote:
     >
> If > you > are > still looking > let > me > know > please.
     >                                                                     I
> have > extensive > experience > in > the > codebase.
     >
> - Curtis
     >
> On > Fri, > Mar > 1, > 2019 > at > 5:31 > PM > JRTA > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote:
     >
> My > coding > experience > is > limited > to > the > basics > of > Python, > building > a few > web > pages > with > Dreamweaver > and > some > minor > work > programming > micro > processors. > I have > no > formal > computer > science > education, > but > seem > to > pick > things > up > intuitively > once > I spend > a bit > of > time > on > anything. > I am > foremost > a musician > an > artist > with > a strong > marketing > background. I > have > launched > and > run > several > companies > in > my > life > and > work > well > with > a team. > I have > achieved > many > things > with > the > help > of > others > and > by > using > teams > of > interns.
     >
> While > overly > ambitious, > this > project > has > been > at > the > top > of > my > bucket > list > for > a long > time. > I am > willing > to > put > some > money > into > this > project. > I'm > not > wealthy > by > any > means > and > have > a moderate > disposable > income. > Right > now > I feel > like > I'm > missing > some > parts > of > what > is > needed > in > ubuntu > just > to > get > started. > Most > of > the > commands > in > the > build > scripts > are > not > recognized. > I am > about > 2 days > into > this, > never > worked > with > Linux > before > either. > Don't > tell > me > I can't > do > it > because > I won't > listen > to > that > and > will > indeed > do > it. > XD > I am > just > learning > to > find > my > way > around > the > wiki > and > have > probably > missed > some > essential > basic > starting > pieces > needed > before > I can > build > the > project. > I did > do > the > manual > build > and > got > most > of > the > way > only > to > fail > at > the > end.
     >
     >
> I currently > work > nights > Ubering > in > a bad > ass > sports > car. > I have > a good > chunk > of > free > time > to > work > on > this. > I am > going > to > forgo > video > gaming > and > Netflix > to > focus > on > this. > I strongly > believe, > despite > my > meager > qualifications, > that > I can > become > an > asset > to > this > project > for > the > long > term > and > am > willing > to > help > others > in > any > way > I can.
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