بالنسبة لنقطة التحديثات لو في local mirrors جوه مصر او جوه الحكومة (أو الشركة الكبرى) متوافقة مع النسخة اللي شغالة طبعا ده هيحتاج bandwidth برضوا بس ممكن لو كانت جوه مصر بس او جوه الكيان ده هتكون التكلفة أقل من ناحية بس ممكن تزيد من ناحية تانية لأن ده هيتطلب بنية تحتية أكثر استقرارا ويعتمد عليها
لذلك موضوع تقليل التحديثات يتم بإستخدام الأتي: - برامج أقل - برامج مستقرة (معدل تحديث غير عالي - ما عدا التحديثات الأمنية بالطبع) - local mirror On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, mohamed aboelnour <[email protected]>wrote: ديبيان + لوبنتو/زوبنتو On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < [email protected]> wrote: بالنسبة للمعايير من وجهة نظرى: - توزيعة السيرفر: - توزيعة مستقرة وثابتة. - لا توجد بها مشاكل حماية بصورة مستمرة. - مشهورة ويمكن الحصول على معلومات على الانترنت عن استخدامها بصورة سهلة - يفضل ان يكون لها تراك تدريب ( RHCٍSA/E أو LPI مثلا) - يفضل أن لا تكون هناك تبعية لشركة معينة بمنطق عقود دعم أو غيره - يفضل أن تكون مجانية - توزيعة سطح المكتب: - سهلة الاستخدام - من الأفضل أن تشبه ويندوز xp (اسف على التشبيه) - ثابتة ومستقرة - خفيفة - لا تستخدم جنوم أو كدى أو يونيتى - لا تستهلك الكثير من التحديثات - تستخدم مدير حزم ملائم والمعيار الأخير هو أن يكون التوزيعتين من نفس النوع أو احدهما مبنية على الأخرى. لا داعى لتشتيت الجهود فى أكثر من اتجاه فى رأيى هذه المعايير تضع أمامنا الاحتمالات التالية: - سيرفر: ريدهات - ديبيان - أوبونتو - سطح مكتب: فيدورا - ديبيان - مينت - زوبونتو (xubuntu) - لوبونتو - أى شىء مبنى عليهم ---- Ahmed Mekkawy Founder | CTO Spirula Systems www.spirulasystems.com On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Anas Emad <[email protected]> wrote: اضافة بالعربي معايير الاختيار بالنسبة لتوزيعة السيرفر ايه ؟ و توزيعة سطح المكتب ايه ؟ On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < [email protected]> wrote: Great, a good thing to reopen this thread.. please everyone discuss your concerns ---- Ahmed Mekkawy Founder | CTO Spirula Systems www.spirulasystems.com On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: This reply is to reopen this thread and this is my choice * Server distro : Debian * Desktop distro: Ubuntu On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]> wrote: Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick to a specific version number for good). We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or managing them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them as case studies to lobby for bigger phases. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy <[email protected]>wrote: I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many reasons lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the moment. Best, Ahmed On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" <[email protected]> wrote: ** I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own training certificate, just like what malysia did. * Desktop distro: First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my POV what we need for the distro: - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. We need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means less cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is based on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this what we unfortunately need. - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be relatively minimal. This is what I got in mind till now. Thanks, Ahmed -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material and courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another company, so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. ----------------------* Mosab Ahmad * Entrepreneur in the make Cell : +201119942443 E-mail : [email protected] LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab github : https://github.com/mos3abof On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < [email protected]> wrote: Hi All, When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought about opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the alternatives. I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my previty. * Server distro: I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to another american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a pleasant idea for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological independance. - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for governmental servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow which could cause disasters. - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value more than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of contributer group. This can be better in some aspects like having official support. But I believe we don't really need that. Will send another email for desktop distros -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" Software Engineer - web developer Ministry of State for Administrative Development Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! http://esl4m.com twitter: esl4mdiaa g+ : iplus.im/esl4m GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader -- Mohammad Aboulnour. Alexandria University. Faculty Of Engineering. Computer & Systems Engineering Department.
