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----------------------* Mosab Ahmad * Entrepreneur in the make Cell : +201119942443 E-mail : [email protected] LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab github : https://github.com/mos3abof On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > I totally support Debian for the servers. > > For the desktops I would love to support ubuntu, but their update rate is > insane for big organizations, so either we force the users to stay with the > LTS releases or we should seriously consider some other distro for the > desktop. > > I love ubuntu, and find it the best, but in organizations this will be a > heck load of suffering and pain for the tech support team, who in my guess > needs this time to be trained on the topic of securing and maintaining the > network. > > ----------------------* > Mosab Ahmad * > Entrepreneur in the make > > Cell : +201119942443 > E-mail : [email protected] > LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab > github : https://github.com/mos3abof > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Anas Emad <[email protected]> wrote: > >> same here >> * Server distro : Debian >> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >> >> Debian and Ubuntu have a good support >> >> about localization can we make ubuntu app have links to ( top FAQ and >> updates and news in arabic language + Simplyuubuntu book + Codecs + fonts + >> ...etc) >> that we will need any custom distro for us at this time >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This reply is to reopen this thread >>> >>> and this is my choice >>> * Server distro : Debian >>> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or >>>> modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious >>>> reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree >>>> on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got >>>> updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick >>>> to a specific version number for good). >>>> >>>> We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or >>>> managing them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. >>>> >>>> Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them >>>> as case studies to lobby for bigger phases. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a >>>>> ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of >>>>> educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then >>>>> government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many >>>>> reasons lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the >>>>> moment. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ahmed >>>>> On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ** I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was >>>>>> about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do >>>>>> believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own >>>>>> training certificate, just like what malysia did. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Desktop distro: >>>>>> First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, >>>>>> which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or >>>>>> something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. >>>>>> >>>>>> As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my >>>>>> POV what we need for the distro: >>>>>> >>>>>> - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. We >>>>>> need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means less >>>>>> cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is >>>>>> based >>>>>> on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. >>>>>> - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this >>>>>> what we unfortunately need. >>>>>> - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most >>>>>> governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. >>>>>> - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be >>>>>> relatively minimal. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is what I got in mind till now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Ahmed >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>> >>>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be >>>>>>> objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material and >>>>>>> courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another >>>>>>> company, >>>>>>> so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------* >>>>>>> Mosab Ahmad * >>>>>>> Entrepreneur in the make >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cell : +201119942443 >>>>>>> E-mail : [email protected] >>>>>>> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >>>>>>> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the >>>>>>>> engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the >>>>>>>> alternatives. I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my >>>>>>>> previty. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Server distro: >>>>>>>> I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and >>>>>>>> debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: >>>>>>>> - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training >>>>>>>> pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government >>>>>>>> servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a pleasant >>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>> for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological >>>>>>>> independance. >>>>>>>> - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for >>>>>>>> governmental servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> could cause disasters. >>>>>>>> - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, >>>>>>>> excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an >>>>>>>> independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which >>>>>>>> ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. >>>>>>>> - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value >>>>>>>> more than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of >>>>>>>> contributer group. This can be better in some aspects like having >>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>> support. But I believe we don't really need that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will send another email for desktop distros >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" >>> >>> Software Engineer - web developer >>> Ministry of State for Administrative Development >>> >>> Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! >>> http://esl4m.com >>> >>> twitter: esl4mdiaa >>> g+ : iplus.im/esl4m >>> GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader >>> >>> >>> >> >
