ممتاز جدا انا رايي نركز احنا علي الاتجاه ده سيرفر : ديبيان سطج مكتب : اوبنتو - منت
و من حكم عشقي و دراستي لعلم الاجتماع و التسويق : و طبيعة الشعب المصري و العربي و كاتجاه طبيعي في البزنيس هتلاقي الاتجاه التاني بينمو لوحده كاتجاه موازي سيرفر : ريدهات او سينتوز سطح مكتب : فيدور On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < [email protected]> wrote: > بالنسبة للمعايير من وجهة نظرى: > > - توزيعة السيرفر: > - توزيعة مستقرة وثابتة. > - لا توجد بها مشاكل حماية بصورة مستمرة. > - مشهورة ويمكن الحصول على معلومات على الانترنت عن استخدامها بصورة > سهلة > - يفضل ان يكون لها تراك تدريب ( RHCٍSA/E أو LPI مثلا) > - يفضل أن لا تكون هناك تبعية لشركة معينة بمنطق عقود دعم أو غيره > - يفضل أن تكون مجانية > - توزيعة سطح المكتب: > - سهلة الاستخدام - من الأفضل أن تشبه ويندوز xp (اسف على التشبيه) > - ثابتة ومستقرة > - خفيفة - لا تستخدم جنوم أو كدى أو يونيتى > - لا تستهلك الكثير من التحديثات > - تستخدم مدير حزم ملائم > > والمعيار الأخير هو أن يكون التوزيعتين من نفس النوع أو احدهما مبنية على > الأخرى. لا داعى لتشتيت الجهود فى أكثر من اتجاه > > > فى رأيى هذه المعايير تضع أمامنا الاحتمالات التالية: > > - سيرفر: ريدهات - ديبيان - أوبونتو > - سطح مكتب: فيدورا - ديبيان - مينت - زوبونتو (xubuntu) - لوبونتو - أى > شىء مبنى عليهم > > ---- > Ahmed Mekkawy > Founder | CTO > Spirula Systems > www.spirulasystems.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Anas Emad <[email protected]> wrote: > >> اضافة بالعربي >> >> معايير الاختيار بالنسبة لتوزيعة السيرفر ايه ؟ >> و توزيعة سطح المكتب ايه ؟ >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Great, a good thing to reopen this thread.. please everyone discuss your >>> concerns >>> >>> ---- >>> Ahmed Mekkawy >>> Founder | CTO >>> Spirula Systems >>> www.spirulasystems.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This reply is to reopen this thread >>>> >>>> and this is my choice >>>> * Server distro : Debian >>>> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or >>>>> modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious >>>>> reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree >>>>> on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got >>>>> updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick >>>>> to a specific version number for good). >>>>> >>>>> We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or >>>>> managing them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them >>>>> as case studies to lobby for bigger phases. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a >>>>>> ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of >>>>>> educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then >>>>>> government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many >>>>>> reasons lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the >>>>>> moment. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Ahmed >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was >>>>>>> about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do >>>>>>> believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own >>>>>>> training certificate, just like what malysia did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Desktop distro: >>>>>>> First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, >>>>>>> which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or >>>>>>> something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my >>>>>>> POV what we need for the distro: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. >>>>>>> We need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. >>>>>>> - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this >>>>>>> what we unfortunately need. >>>>>>> - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most >>>>>>> governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. >>>>>>> - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be >>>>>>> relatively minimal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is what I got in mind till now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ahmed >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be >>>>>>>> objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another >>>>>>>> company, >>>>>>>> so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----------------------* >>>>>>>> Mosab Ahmad * >>>>>>>> Entrepreneur in the make >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cell : +201119942443 >>>>>>>> E-mail : [email protected] >>>>>>>> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >>>>>>>> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the >>>>>>>>> engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the >>>>>>>>> alternatives. I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my >>>>>>>>> previty. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Server distro: >>>>>>>>> I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and >>>>>>>>> debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: >>>>>>>>> - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training >>>>>>>>> pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to >>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government >>>>>>>>> servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a >>>>>>>>> pleasant idea >>>>>>>>> for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological >>>>>>>>> independance. >>>>>>>>> - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for >>>>>>>>> governmental servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> could cause disasters. >>>>>>>>> - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, >>>>>>>>> excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an >>>>>>>>> independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which >>>>>>>>> ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. >>>>>>>>> - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value >>>>>>>>> more than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of >>>>>>>>> contributer group. This can be better in some aspects like having >>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>> support. But I believe we don't really need that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Will send another email for desktop distros >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" >>>> >>>> Software Engineer - web developer >>>> Ministry of State for Administrative Development >>>> >>>> Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! >>>> http://esl4m.com >>>> >>>> twitter: esl4mdiaa >>>> g+ : iplus.im/esl4m >>>> GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
