Although I have been following this mail since Ahmed posted it. And I see that I have no right to judge your solution or your choice as I didn't attend the meeting and I didn't respond to the emails in this thread.
I have only one concern that I'd like to share; I completely disagree with mail subject and some of comments that are not specific to the syndicate case, as we are in open source community we should be making benefit from every possible and available option, the strength points of open source are in the variety of choices, diversity and the freedom to place your choice according to the needs. I have seen some cases when gentoo was the only available option in some companies due to the restriction of the country that they are dealing with. I am not saying gentoo is good choice in genral but it was the only option due to the available options in the package management. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > أقترح استخدام أداة مثل : > http://leancanvas.com/ > وذلك لفهم أوضح ومشترك بين الجميع > > ---------------------- > Mosab Ahmad > Entrepreneur in the make > > Cell : +201119942443 > E-mail : [email protected] > LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab > github : https://github.com/mos3abof > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:38 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I totally support Debian for the servers. >> >> For the desktops I would love to support ubuntu, but their update rate is >> insane for big organizations, so either we force the users to stay with the >> LTS releases or we should seriously consider some other distro for the >> desktop. >> >> I love ubuntu, and find it the best, but in organizations this will be a >> heck load of suffering and pain for the tech support team, who in my guess >> needs this time to be trained on the topic of securing and maintaining the >> network. >> >> ---------------------- >> Mosab Ahmad >> Entrepreneur in the make >> >> Cell : +201119942443 >> E-mail : [email protected] >> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Anas Emad <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> same here >>> * Server distro : Debian >>> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >>> >>> Debian and Ubuntu have a good support >>> >>> about localization can we make ubuntu app have links to ( top FAQ and >>> updates and news in arabic language + Simplyuubuntu book + Codecs + fonts + >>> ...etc) >>> that we will need any custom distro for us at this time >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> This reply is to reopen this thread >>>> >>>> and this is my choice >>>> * Server distro : Debian >>>> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or >>>>> modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious >>>>> reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree >>>>> on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got >>>>> updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick >>>>> to >>>>> a specific version number for good). >>>>> >>>>> We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or >>>>> managing them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them >>>>> as case studies to lobby for bigger phases. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a >>>>>> ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of >>>>>> educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then >>>>>> government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many >>>>>> reasons >>>>>> lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the moment. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Ahmed >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was >>>>>>> about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do >>>>>>> believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own >>>>>>> training certificate, just like what malysia did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Desktop distro: >>>>>>> First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, >>>>>>> which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or >>>>>>> something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my >>>>>>> POV what we need for the distro: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. We >>>>>>> need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means less >>>>>>> cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. >>>>>>> - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this >>>>>>> what we unfortunately need. >>>>>>> - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most >>>>>>> governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. >>>>>>> - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be >>>>>>> relatively minimal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is what I got in mind till now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ahmed >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be >>>>>>>> objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another >>>>>>>> company, >>>>>>>> so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------- >>>>>>>> Mosab Ahmad >>>>>>>> Entrepreneur in the make >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cell : +201119942443 >>>>>>>> E-mail : [email protected] >>>>>>>> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >>>>>>>> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the >>>>>>>>> engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the >>>>>>>>> alternatives. >>>>>>>>> I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my previty. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Server distro: >>>>>>>>> I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and >>>>>>>>> debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: >>>>>>>>> - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training >>>>>>>>> pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to >>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government >>>>>>>>> servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a >>>>>>>>> pleasant idea >>>>>>>>> for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological >>>>>>>>> independance. >>>>>>>>> - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for >>>>>>>>> governmental servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> could cause disasters. >>>>>>>>> - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, >>>>>>>>> excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an >>>>>>>>> independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which >>>>>>>>> ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. >>>>>>>>> - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value >>>>>>>>> more than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of >>>>>>>>> contributer >>>>>>>>> group. This can be better in some aspects like having official >>>>>>>>> support. But >>>>>>>>> I believe we don't really need that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Will send another email for desktop distros >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" >>>> >>>> Software Engineer - web developer >>>> Ministry of State for Administrative Development >>>> >>>> Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! >>>> http://esl4m.com >>>> >>>> twitter: esl4mdiaa >>>> g+ : iplus.im/esl4m >>>> GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
