Great, a good thing to reopen this thread.. please everyone discuss your concerns
---- Ahmed Mekkawy Founder | CTO Spirula Systems www.spirulasystems.com On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: > This reply is to reopen this thread > > and this is my choice > * Server distro : Debian > * Desktop distro: Ubuntu > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or >> modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious >> reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree >> on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got >> updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick >> to a specific version number for good). >> >> We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or managing >> them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. >> >> Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them as >> case studies to lobby for bigger phases. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a >>> ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of >>> educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then >>> government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many >>> reasons lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the >>> moment. >>> Best, >>> Ahmed >>> On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ** I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was >>>> about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do >>>> believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own >>>> training certificate, just like what malysia did. >>>> >>>> * Desktop distro: >>>> First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, >>>> which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or >>>> something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. >>>> >>>> As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my POV >>>> what we need for the distro: >>>> >>>> - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. We >>>> need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means less >>>> cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is based >>>> on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. >>>> - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this what >>>> we unfortunately need. >>>> - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most >>>> governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. >>>> - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be relatively >>>> minimal. >>>> >>>> This is what I got in mind till now. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ahmed >>>> -- >>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>> >>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be >>>>> objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material and >>>>> courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another >>>>> company, >>>>> so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------* >>>>> Mosab Ahmad * >>>>> Entrepreneur in the make >>>>> >>>>> Cell : +201119942443 >>>>> E-mail : [email protected] >>>>> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >>>>> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the >>>>>> engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought >>>>>> about >>>>>> opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the >>>>>> alternatives. I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my >>>>>> previty. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Server distro: >>>>>> I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and >>>>>> debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: >>>>>> - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training >>>>>> pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to >>>>>> another >>>>>> american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government >>>>>> servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a pleasant >>>>>> idea >>>>>> for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological >>>>>> independance. >>>>>> - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for governmental >>>>>> servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow which could cause >>>>>> disasters. >>>>>> - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, >>>>>> excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an >>>>>> independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which >>>>>> ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. >>>>>> - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value more >>>>>> than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of contributer >>>>>> group. This can be better in some aspects like having official support. >>>>>> But >>>>>> I believe we don't really need that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Will send another email for desktop distros >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> > > > -- > "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" > > Software Engineer - web developer > Ministry of State for Administrative Development > > Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! > http://esl4m.com > > twitter: esl4mdiaa > g+ : iplus.im/esl4m > GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader > > >
