اضافة بالعربي معايير الاختيار بالنسبة لتوزيعة السيرفر ايه ؟ و توزيعة سطح المكتب ايه ؟
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < [email protected]> wrote: > Great, a good thing to reopen this thread.. please everyone discuss your > concerns > > ---- > Ahmed Mekkawy > Founder | CTO > Spirula Systems > www.spirulasystems.com > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Eslam Diaa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This reply is to reopen this thread >> >> and this is my choice >> * Server distro : Debian >> * Desktop distro: Ubuntu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Ahmed Koraiem <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Adding to Mekkawy, we must also ensure that any updates and/or >>> modifications do not greatly affect the user experience (for obvious >>> reasons), that's why we need to put in mind that any UI that we will agree >>> on will have to stay like it is for 3-4 years, even if the OS itself got >>> updated (which means if we choose lxde for example we might have to stick >>> to a specific version number for good). >>> >>> We should also create a mechanism to monitor these computers or managing >>> them remotely for IT departments; consider a different distro. >>> >>> Dr. Hefnawy is right, we should start with organizations and use them as >>> case studies to lobby for bigger phases. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Ahmed ElHefnawy <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I suggest that a phased approach to be followed, an organization, a >>>> ministry, and then government. I suggest we start with organization of >>>> educational buildings abnya tal3mia, then ministry of education, then >>>> government. First phase 3 years, second 5 years, third 7 years. Many >>>> reasons lie behind such a recommendation. I cannot write more at the >>>> moment. >>>> Best, >>>> Ahmed >>>> On Aug 25, 2012 8:29 PM, "Ahmed Mekkawy" < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** I agree. What I meant by not offering more value than debian was >>>>> about the OS itself. Ofcourse the training materials are a plus. I do >>>>> believe that some big entity as a government needs to create its own >>>>> training certificate, just like what malysia did. >>>>> >>>>> * Desktop distro: >>>>> First I see that it should be a matching distro as the server one, >>>>> which means fedora (or something based on it) if we choose redhat, or >>>>> something based on debian if we choose debian/ubuntu. >>>>> >>>>> As we have a very large number of distros, let me summerize from my >>>>> POV what we need for the distro: >>>>> >>>>> - to be light: we got lots of outdated hardware in the government. We >>>>> need to use it and bring it back to live. Less hardware specs means less >>>>> cost and less hardware upgrades. I suggest we drop any distro that is >>>>> based >>>>> on KDE, gnome, or unity. I suggest xfce, lxde, or something like that. >>>>> - ease of use: and hopefully if it looks like windows XP. Yes this >>>>> what we unfortunately need. >>>>> - important updates rate: we need low volume of updates, most >>>>> governmental agencies have very limited bandwidth. >>>>> - depending mainly on GUI and the CLI intervention should be >>>>> relatively minimal. >>>>> >>>>> This is what I got in mind till now. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Ahmed >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>> >>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I totally agree, Debian is my personal favorite as well. But to be >>>>>> objective, Ubuntu has the advantage of having some training material and >>>>>> courses from Canonical, and does not require being tied to another >>>>>> company, >>>>>> so you can get the training, and save the updates subscription fees. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------* >>>>>> Mosab Ahmad * >>>>>> Entrepreneur in the make >>>>>> >>>>>> Cell : +201119942443 >>>>>> E-mail : [email protected] >>>>>> LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/mosab >>>>>> github : https://github.com/mos3abof >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ahmed Mekkawy < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I talked about standerdizing a distro to suggest for the >>>>>>> engineering syndicate issue, some guys suggested others. So I thought >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> opening this thread to say why did I choose it and discuss the >>>>>>> alternatives. I'm sending this from my mobile so please execuse my >>>>>>> previty. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Server distro: >>>>>>> I guess the real alternatives we got is redhat, centos, ubuntu and >>>>>>> debian. Let me summerize shortly my openion on each of them: >>>>>>> - redhat: technically competing. The good thing is clear training >>>>>>> pathes. But on the other hand I don't believe we need to be tied to >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> american company. Paying monthly subscriptions for all the government >>>>>>> servers as long as paying for training all the staff is not a pleasant >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> for me. Remember that the syndicate project title is technological >>>>>>> independance. >>>>>>> - centos: I don't believe that centos is good enough for >>>>>>> governmental servers. Enough that the security updates are too slow >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> could cause disasters. >>>>>>> - debian: this is my personal choice, technically competing, >>>>>>> excellent security updates, very stable. And best of all, it is an >>>>>>> independant, very large, and very distributed contributers group which >>>>>>> ensures we don't be dependant on a certain company or even country. >>>>>>> - ubuntu: from my POV, ubuntu server doesn't give any real value >>>>>>> more than debian. Except being dependant on a company instead of >>>>>>> contributer group. This can be better in some aspects like having >>>>>>> official >>>>>>> support. But I believe we don't really need that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will send another email for desktop distros >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "Eslam Mohamed Diaa" >> >> Software Engineer - web developer >> Ministry of State for Administrative Development >> >> Trying to be better .. more & more ... !! >> http://esl4m.com >> >> twitter: esl4mdiaa >> g+ : iplus.im/esl4m >> GDGMansoura <iplus.im/gdgmansoura/> leader >> >> >> >
