I absolutely agree that it’s very important to release a stable solution. BUT: 
There is a ARM based version for embedded space available as beta version since 
a long time… so it’s important to TALK to the community. Otherwise Java and 
JavaFX == Oracle. No need to open source it.


Am 30.09.2013 um 11:48 schrieb Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com>:

> I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet.
> 
> As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1 
> relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the 
> very last minute.  I see this as a definite positive.  To me that says that 
> they truly believed they would be able to have something for those sessions 
> but for whatever reason were not able to get across the finish line.  I would 
> have been far more worried if they had never announced such sessions because 
> then we would know for certain that they do not have any concrete plans in 
> this area.
> 
> I am optimistic that a *big* announcement is just around the corner.  Of 
> course J1 would have been the perfect place for such an announcement but can 
> you imagine the damage to brand Java/JavaFX had they released a half-baked, 
> bug-ridden, slow-as-a-dog implementation of JavaFX on iOS or Android?  Many 
> developers would have walked away from client-side Java forever and the press 
> would have gone into meltdown ridiculing the technology.
> 
> If Oracle really does have something in the pipeline for iOS/Android then 
> they are absolutely right to get it *perfect* before they let it loose on the 
> public.
> 
> Having said this though and as starry-eyed as I am, even I cannot wait 
> forever....
> 
> 
> On 30 September 2013 19:14, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote:
> I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting concerning 
> JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX (and RoboVM) 
> to build apps for the iPhone (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) 
> this bug report is open since 3(!) month!  How shall the community build 
> things for iOS if a very base feature (bug) is not fixed by Oracles core 
> team??? It’s a very bad sign for engaged developers outside Oracle!
> 
> So maybe we should say good by to the legacy of SUN and use web technologies 
> like JQuery, ExtJS, … with real community power and without an US company who 
> sees only money and legal issues.
> 
> Maybe Larry loves to spend millions of dollars to win a boat race and develop 
> experimental „iPads“ rather then spend their time and money to develop a 
> technology with could be the base for ALL products, on Desktop, embedded 
> space, mobile, watches, …
> 
> Cheers,
> Tobi
> 
> 
> 
> Am 30.09.2013 um 10:39 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com>:
> 
>> The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also 
>> highlights a deeper problem here. 
>> 
>> We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the 
>> topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on. It's 
>> tied in with share prices, and market strategies. 
>> 
>> So won't that be the case for anything *important* going forward? We 
>> "community" members are outsiders and very lowly ranked, well below "real" 
>> customers and even below random punters from the media. There's not even a 
>> way for us to rank bugs and get them attention (even if we provide fixes!).  
>> 
>> What kind of community can this ever be if anything important can't be 
>> discussed here before it's locked in, because it risks Oracle giving up a 
>> commercial edge? Is this then a community only for discussing our favourite 
>> method names for the API and pointing out that an enum constant is missing?
>> 
>> I can't see any way that this forum provides any significant contributions 
>> back to the platform - the occasional bug fix at best. JIRA is fine for 
>> discussing bugs, method names and little things like that. Any of the real 
>> community initiatives are run completely separate to this forum because 
>> Oracle doesn't want anything to do with them, and all the significant 
>> platform work takes place behind Oracle's closed doors and we only hear 
>> about it after it's a done deal.  
>> 
>> From where I'm standing, the Oracle community concept is fundamentally 
>> flawed, and the root cause is that Oracle just don't get how to interact 
>> with a community. You want to use us but you're not very good at it, you're 
>> not trying to improve (you don't think there's a problem) and ultimately 
>> Oracle's culture won't let you do it properly anyway. The current approach 
>> is a little like a car salesman trying to be your Facebook "friend". 
>> 
>> All the initiatives I got involved with through this forum have gone nowhere 
>> - deployment (auto updating), the early Maven deployment work (which Richard 
>> asked for), the tower defender game (which Richard asked for), the jfx 
>> browser (which Richard asked for), even stuff as simple as JIRA dashboards 
>> (which Richard again asked for). 
>> 
>> All these hit points where they needed Oracle to do their part of it and 
>> then just stalled and then died. This community could have fostered a lot of 
>> tools and efforts, and really propelled JFX into the bigger dev community, 
>> but instead, for me, it has been a constant source of stress and 
>> dissatisfaction, a hinderance and a hurdle. All pain, no gain. 
>> 
>> The only initiatives I actually made work were the JavaFX Maven plugin and 
>> the RoboVM Maven plugin. With both of these I made a conscious decision to 
>> not involve this forum or Oracle. I decided to cludge around platform 
>> shortcomings, rather than work with Oracle to fix it (5 minute fixes would 
>> have saved me days of work). 
>> 
>> That was the only way I could make these initiatives succeed since this 
>> forum is a hinderance to contributing. It gives a false sense that Oracle is 
>> listening and actively supporting the community. To anyone out there wanting 
>> to do something in JFX tool space, I'd say start by leaving this forum and 
>> working out what you can do without any access to the Oracle guys, even if 
>> you make your own code contributions to the platform. Assume you're an 
>> outsider - the cavalry is not coming, you're on your own.
>> 
>> Given all that I'm walking away from this forum. I was waiting to hear about 
>> the iOS/Android stuff first, but really even if they did announce anything, 
>> it would be a long shot at best (untested, low resources, lack of solid 
>> direction and most likely tied in with some Oracle ADF garbage or similar). 
>> The uncertainty created by Oracle's mixed messages also killed all momentum 
>> on the community RoboVM work. Meanwhile web based stuff is getting stronger, 
>> cleaner and better tool support at an exponential rate, including in the 
>> mobile space.  
>> 
>> If JavaFX one day actually provides a usable platform for non-Oracle 
>> entrenched customers, and the developer world notices, I'll certainly 
>> consider it. I reckon I'll hear about that through the usual tech media 
>> channels first, rather than through here though. As Oracle themselves 
>> pointed out at the 2012 JavaOne session the smart money is on web based 
>> stuff (check out backbone.js and marionette.js for a desktop-like coding 
>> experience, not bad and will get better faster than JFX improves). 
>> 
>> On that note, the JavaFX Maven plugin is about to go into decay mode. It 
>> needs to be updated to work on Maven 3.1 (some libraries have changed from 
>> 3.0) and there are a number of bugs and feature requests building up that 
>> I've been ignoring. I have no incentive to do any of this so it will 
>> unfortunately just rot. If anyone wants to pick it up, let me know (you need 
>> a few free hours a week just to maintain it). I'm picking up stumps and 
>> moving on.
>> 
>> I also have the access rights for the openjfx Maven repo on Sonatype (needed 
>> to deploy to Maven central). I imagine Sonatype would grant this access to 
>> others if you apply and make a case for it, but if anyone wants to do this 
>> let me know and I can notify sonatype to give you access and save you some 
>> hassles. 
>> 
>> I think Niklas has the RoboVM Maven Plugin sorted now and can do 
>> enhancements on that but I'm sure if anyone wanted to help him out he 
>> wouldn't say no. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Dan 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote:
>> I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android 
>> does not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this 
>> people use their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs 
>> it? Why don’t we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins, 
>> iOS/Android widgets, RoboVM for Android, RoboVM using OpenJDK, … I really 
>> love useful stuff like the „JavaFX maven plugin“ or the „AquaFX“ project. 
>> That kind of development we need!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Tobi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 30.09.2013 um 08:50 schrieb Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> > No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it.  In fact, without it  
>> > happening soon, JavaFX is already dead.
>> >
>> > But let's not give up yet.  Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass 
>> > half full kinda guy :-)
>> >
>> >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I suppose „legal reasons“….
>> >>
>> >> For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure: 
>> >> JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like 
>> >> Rasp.PI, DukePad & Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who 
>> >> needs JavaFX on mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :(
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Am 29.09.2013 um 18:13 schrieb Jeff Martin <j...@reportmill.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems the JFX on iOS/Android were cancelled at the last moment. I 
>> >>> tried to keep expectations low this year, but I admit I harbored secret 
>> >>> hopes based on those sessions (a few embarrassingly optimistic 
>> >>> conversations with clients notwithstanding).
>> >>>
>> >>> Last week Tomas offered this:
>> >>>
>> >>>> about cancelled sessions please contact Mr. JavaOne 
>> >>>> stephen.c...@oracle.com I believe he will give satisfactory answer.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd like to take him up on that satisfactory offer. Also, can we run the 
>> >>> name "DukePad" by marketing again?
>> >>>
>> >>> :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> jeff
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 12:12 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to 
>> >>>> get an overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any 
>> >>>> case. Given this is the developer community network it would make sense 
>> >>>> in my mind to highlight stuff like that in here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For me, I'd love it if someone could quickly sum up any announcements 
>> >>>> or sessions made about JavaFX for iOS, Android or in the deployment 
>> >>>> space?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What happened at the sessions Tobi highlighted before 
>> >>>> (http://blog.software4java.com/?p=97), did anyone go to these and able 
>> >>>> to give us some info?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 27/09/2013, at 7:07 AM, Richard Bair <richard.b...@oracle.com> 
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's 
>> >>>>> (http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet 
>> >>>>> (not sure how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it 
>> >>>>> is pretty fast).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Richard
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> 
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Has anyone done or seen any good roundups (text or video) of the 
>> >>>>>> JavaOne sessions relating to javafx?
>> >>
>> 
>> 
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