I do not have a problem with providing the GNU userland as an option, or with making it easy to for Linux converts to select that. My issue is that the default environment was arbitrarily changed from the Solaris userland to the GNU userland at the expense of the existing install base by the install team in an effort to attract Linux converts without providing a suitable method for correcting this behavior at install time. Adding salt to the wound is the fact that the GNU userland does not support many core features of Solaris that would likely be the reason for said Linux users to convert to Solaris - thereby invalidating the entire decision in the first place.
Unless, and until, the GNU userland supports the core features of Solaris (like ZFS ACLs, RBAC, etc.), it should be an option to be selected - during or after install time - and not the default. Even then, changing the default needs to be communicated and debated. fpsm 2009/8/18 <[email protected]>: > Fredrich, > > nobody forces you to use linux-friendly solutions. > What I was trying to say is to give a _choice_ (yes, a choice !) > for linux users whether they want to have more familiar environment > or not. If you (or me or any other Solaris user) don't want to > use linux-friendly environment we can just answer "No" > while being asked. > > So I don't want to force anybody to use linux- or non-linux- > environments - I just would like to have a choice. In fact I don't > need a choice. But if we want to attract linux users it would be > wise to give them choice. > > Regards > Przemek > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 09:32:39AM -0400, Fredrich Maney wrote: >> I forgot to include the list in my original reply to Przemyslaw. >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Fredrich Maney <[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OT: Re: Oracle 10g on OpenSolaris (Solaris 5.11) >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Przemyslaw, >> >> No one has made that statement. >> >> The decision to give the GNU userland precedence by default over the >> traditional Solaris userland has repeatedly been justified as making >> OpenSolaris more Linux-friendly in an attempt to attract Linux users. >> This goal - attracting more Linux users - is also behind the emphasis >> on making everything GUI/Wizard based from what I can tell. >> >> The point I was trying to make is that many of the decisions that have >> been made in order to chase this pipedream (getting a Linux user to >> convert to *anything* that doesn't use the GPL is like trying to >> convince someone at Jonestown to not drink the Kool-Aid), have broken >> Solaris in the server/datacenter/enterprise world. I strongly believe >> that chasing desktop/single instance users at the expense of the >> server/enterprise users is an even more stupid decision than the way >> that Sun treated Solaris x86 for years. >> >> To put it *very* bluntly, if I can not install OpenSolaris with a >> customized/minimized build over the network via a serial or LOM >> connection on hundreds of systems at time in an automated, hands-off >> way that leaves me a system configured the way I want/need it after >> the very first reboot without having to do further configuration when >> the system comes up, then I'm not interested in running OpenSolaris. I >> do not think I am alone in that regard. >> >> fpsm >> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:10 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:34:28AM -0400, Fredrich Maney wrote: >> >> I will concur. The single most important issue to me with regards to >> >> installing a system is that I be able to do it automatically and >> >> remotely. >> >> >> >> I have quite literally installed thousands of Solaris instances on >> >> dozens of hardware platforms - less than a hundred have been >> >> interactively and probably fewer than 2 dozen have been on systems >> >> with a graphics card installed. Making me jump through additional >> >> (unnecessary) hoops after installation to fix a broken environment >> >> just to make it more "linux-friendly" is not going to make me very >> >> interested in using OpenSolaris - if I wanted to use Linux, I'd use >> >> Linux. >> > >> > It is beyond me or maybe I don't understand English but ... >> > who said that asking about your habits is equal to installing Linux ? >> > Can anybody explain me that ? >> > >> > Regards >> > Przemyslaw Bak (przemol) >> > -- >> > http://przemol.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
