This does not mean that it would only be possible under any
"governance-umbrella", but I also understand that Karaf is the main
consumer and/or driver of current development.
Thus I'm not completely against it (and would not have any obligations
to give any organization the required permission for any contribution I
have made to pax projects), my only fear is that this process will even
be going further so things are getting more and more "karaf-like" and
other requirements are not taken into account anymore.
So whatever is decided, I have really enjoyed all the years even though
contributions from my side are not always constant over time it was the
entry-point for me to getting started with OpenSource contributions.
Am 20.02.20 um 08:06 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
That's true, but I think that's also a drawback.
The leak of governance and the fact we don't have any staging on
releases could be seen as an issue.
That's why it could be interesting to have this under the "Karaf Umbrella".
Regards
JB
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:58 AM 'Christoph Läubrich' via OPS4J
<ops4j@googlegroups.com <mailto:ops4j@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I always enjoyed the ease of contribution via github with minimal
effort. While for apache-projects has always felt like a mess
because of
different hurdles.
So I would defiantly vote for staying with github, dropping JIRA in
favour of github issues (they improved the issue/project handling a
lot)
to centralize development to one place.
Github even offers building "Actions" now so maybe this is also an
alternative for custom build-server.
Am 20.02.20 um 07:17 schrieb Jean-Baptiste Onofré:
> Hi,
>
> If option 4 is interesting, we have to remember:
>
> 1. First, in which Apache umbrella project. I don't think Felix is a
> good match as we might have some overlap with existing projects
(felix
> http, ...). Maybe Karaf ?
> 2. We need to transfer IP and "PMC" set and ask in the Apache
project
> community with a formal vote.
> 3. We will have to follow Apache process, especially for releases
> (meaning at least 3 days vote, 3 binding votes, etc), extending
Apache
> pom, etc.
>
> So, IMHO, we have really two options:
>
> 1. We keep OPS4J community, do a cleanup (announcing non active
projects)
> 2. We move active Pax projects to Apache (obviously my preference
would
> be Karaf).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:01 PM Toni Menzel
<toni.men...@rebaze.com <mailto:toni.men...@rebaze.com>
> <mailto:toni.men...@rebaze.com <mailto:toni.men...@rebaze.com>>>
wrote:
>
> *TL/TR:*
> I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org <http://ops4j.org>
<http://ops4j.org> (the one
> that is actively used atm).
>
> *Long version:*
> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were
to go
> with OPS4J in general.
>
> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way
to get
> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust
> was default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write
> access to the subversion repo and start hacking on new or
existing
> projects. Including admin access to jira and whatever else was
> existing back then. Pax URL, Pax Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct
> etc. all got initiated by individuals without asking for
permission.
> I mean.. thats Names like Pax Tinybundles got to life.. but
oh well.
>
> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url,
web and
> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if
> there is just that "ops4j" name of the github organization
now, no
> website etc.
>
> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them
here that
> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated
options):
>
> * keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do
with the
> Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me
> (this means I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain
that is
> in active use,too btw). It would be good to have two
different
> companies or legal entities backing this anyway.
> * Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a
> clear who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at
Github
> Sponsoring to spread costs across user base - avoid single
> entity control.
> * Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an
> entity that makes the work here eligible for future
donations. I
> am not sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source
!= Open
> Governance.
> * Retire non active projects and donate active projects to
apache.
> Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property)
>
> wdyt?
> Toni
>
>
> *Toni Menzel | rebaze.com <http://rebaze.com>
<https://www.rebaze.com> | growing
> developer culture
>
> *
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> <jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com
<mailto:jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com
<mailto:jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Niclas
>
> First of all, thanks a lot for all what you did (and
still doing
> 😀).
>
> I’m ready to take the hand for the domain and finance them.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 12:13, Niclas Hedhman
> <nic...@hedhman.org <mailto:nic...@hedhman.org>
<mailto:nic...@hedhman.org <mailto:nic...@hedhman.org>>> a écrit :
>
> Everyone,
> In a few months time (June), the OPS4J domain names
are up
> for renewal. And I have been paying for those for 15
years
> now, and since I no longer participate in OPS4J I
would like
> to transfer the domain names. But where to??
>
> Ideally a foundation that would be Ok to take it over,
> otherwise to a trusted community member.
>
> Ideas are welcome, and should be discussed. I have no
> opinion and will simply follow what you all can agree on.
>
> ops4j.org <http://ops4j.org> <http://ops4j.org>
> ops4j.net <http://ops4j.net> <http://ops4j.net>
> ops4j.com <http://ops4j.com> <http://ops4j.com>
>
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
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