CC Thembeka Mna I thought his quite diplomacy on political arena here at Mzantsi and the continent as whole was enough but now he is urinating a mortal statements without a clear point from the organization. The less said about him the better. Izwe Lethu Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
-----Original Message----- From: Mzu Cabanga <mcaba...@gmail.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:23:08 To: <payco@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Fwd: [PAYCO] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Thembeka Majali <themb...@aidc.org.za> Date: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [PAYCO] To: Mzu Cabanga <mcaba...@gmail.com> Hey Letlapa has no grasp of continental politics, much as I do not agree with Gaddafi's style of leadership, but the question is when do you declare war when rebels threatens state assets. Was he expecting Gaddafi to fold arms and let US, EU and UN to attack and rule Lybia. His exposing his narrow understanding of continental and International politics. His is an impipi period. Regards, Thembeka On 17 Mar 2011, at 10:03 AM, Mzu Cabanga wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mduduzi Sibeko <msib...@randwater.co.za> Date: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM Subject: [PAYCO] To: "payco@googlegroups.com" <payco@googlegroups.com> Dear Seroke: Below is a letter penned by the Letlapa Mphahlele Thu Mar 17 06:03:11 SAST 2011 , albeit, I do not support the flogging and massacring of defenseless people of Libya. My misunderstanding and frustration centers around the international community particularly the West led by the USA and France. During the liberation struggle, these countries did not support an armed insurrection from liberation, especially if their interests were not threatened. Evidence in Angola and elsewhere pinpoint that the US has never been consistent. Why did they support Dr. Jonas Savimbi in an attempt to wage its infamous cold war against those that received the Soviet backings. My understanding was that the USA had been supporting pacific means in resolving problems, why then support an insurrection. What are they saying to the rebels in Libya ?. secondly, the international law, particularly the treaty of Rome establishing the international criminal court, has it deliberately ignore an atrocious crime in Iraq, Afghanistan. What about two successive military aggression of Israel against Syria and Palestine which took place in a matter of few months successively in preceding years ? has the international community deliberately ignored the violation of its own law by states that enjoy preferential treatment in international stadium. What about the Taliban and guantanamo bay fightings languishing in Guantanamo bay. Messiah Obama, has not up this day shut down the infamous guantanamo bay which disregards the conventions of Geneva governing the treatment of the belligerents. I register my contempt to the West in this connection. It seems that Gaddafi has an upper hand in as far the conflict is concerned, a no fly zone does not seem to get momentum ostensibly because of its upshots in the economy of the USA, and chiefly because Russia and China see it as a violation of a nation- State’s sovereignty. Should the West intervene military, the lessons learned in Iraq had a far reaching meaning, the West would have to maintain an order. It is one thing to effect Regime change, and the other thing to maintain order. who will carry the burden of a war-ridden nation, will Americans accept billions of dollars in the public purse to maintain Libya after Gaddafi. Admittedly, the system of Libya needs some changes, however, a bloody insurrection and a counter insurrection from both the rebels and PRO-Gaddafi is unacceptable. I CALL you a friend at the risk of being lynched by a mob of newly awakened democrats in the southern tip of our continent · Tweet <http://twitter.com/share> · Share <http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php> <image001.jpg> Before I'm accused of complicity in the massacre of the Libyans, let me declare my total condemnation of the killings of the unarmed people by the forces under your command. A sour note to begin a letter to a friend. Had it not been for the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, I could not have had a rare opportunity of seeing you in person. I wonder if you still recall seeing me in Sabha in 2007. I was seated a few metres from you. Some African heads of state were there, including President Yoweri Museveni of Uganda. Your fiery speech, delivered in Arabic, elicited a loud applause, especially when you said everybody on the African continent was an African. You said though your Arabic forebears originated in Yemen and migrated to Libya hundreds of years ago, today your destiny was tied to Africa and to pretend otherwise would be tantamount to betraying Mother Africa. Libyans are Africans first and foremost, you thundered to a deafening applause. This flashback of the Libya-PAC relations is necessary, spanning from the times of the first PAC leader in exile, Potlako Kitchner Leballo. More than a half of externally trained cadres of the Azanian People's Liberation Army (Apla) were trained in Libya. Some of them are today generals in the South African National Defence Force. You might have forgotten all this. As a friend of advanced age, your memory surely needs some pricking. Talking about memory, there are some people who reprimand us for remembering that you, my friend, was once in the coalface of the struggle for freedom in Africa and abroad. We adored you, dear friend, matter-of-factly, though some of your actions puzzled us and even annoyed us. When you took sides in the Uganda-Tanzania war in the late seventies, siding with Idi Amin Dada against Mwalimu Julius Nyerere, most of us were not amused. Your simplistic justification of siding with a fellow Muslim (Amin) against a Christian foe (Nyerere) left us questioning your sanity, dear friend. Fortunately, you later apologised to Mzee Nyerere and the people of Tanzania. On African unity, we sang the same song with you. But when you declared yourself the King of Kings in Africa, we were taken aback. In fact, embarrassed. All this, dear friend, is lodged in the stubborn memory. Enough of the flashback. Let's look at Libya as it is this day, this forbidding hour, this turbulent moment. Libya is on fire, my dear friend, the heat of which can be felt from the southern tip of Africa. Sad to say, my dear friend, you were never elected. 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