On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:49 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Paul, the boogie man will probably never show up at your door. Mine neither. > > And yes, some of the things my android (powered by Google) can do for me are > nothing short of miraculous. > > That doesn't mean I want information about me floating around out there to be > used by anyone who gets their hands on it. That's why I turn off my gps when > I'm not using it. That's why I never give out my credit card info on the > phone (especially my cell) or by e-mail. > > To say "well, my smartphone does so many good things that I don't mind that > some large faceless unaccountable organization has personal information about > me that I didn't even know about," rather ignores the fact that you don't > know what they know about you, what they're doing with that information and > what may happen if that information gets into the wrong hands.
Scott Mc Nealy has been ridiculed for stating a truth about privacy. As for myself, I've come to realize that privacy was a brief anomaly in human culture. For most of human existence, we have lived in small groups, where to all intents, there was always someone around. Anyone who has lived in a small town knows what it's like, and most of us have lived in small towns where we can get in a car and go to another town, without it being too suspicious. The things that are changing is not how little privacy we have, but who we have it from. The flip side of that is that through groups like this list we can travel to just about any habitated continent (are there any active members in Africa? Or is Boris the closest?) and have someone to meet up for lunch. > > Here are some not-so-fetched possibilities: my phone (and probably yours) can > be used as a video phone. A lens facing me videos me while I talk. Could > Google (or someone else) access that image remotely to put my photo in their > file? Hacking phones cameras, and for that matter the camera in computers like iMacs, has already been done. > Could my fingerprints be sent off for the same purposes? I ~have~ to touch > the screen to operate this device, right? No camera in the screen. Besides, it's not like you could get a clear shot of a finger print on your UV filter. What they can do is get people to tag your photos on facebook, or just use web searches to find associations of you and photos. Once they do that, they can start running facial recognition software, and build up a data base. > > So now someone has my face and fingerprints on file. What's next? You walk into Macy's, the camera scans your face, looks it up on google and as you face a video screen an ad pops up telling you that silly hats are on sale on the third floor. > > Is it paranoid to be careful about what personal information goes out there? > We had just a glimpse of what can happen after 9/11. Imagine what Joe > McCarthy could have done with present-day technology. It's more important to do things to keep those sorts of people out of power. I'll spare you my boring diatribe about money, power and positive feedback loops. > > Google (and many other organizations no doubt) already know more about me > than I'm comfortable with and I'll be damned if I'm going to make it easy for > them to find out more. > > Cheers, > frank > > > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> > Sent: December 28, 2011 12/28/11 > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Bad news for Frank > > > Google already knows where you are and what you do since you have their > phone. Joining Google+ doesn't change that one bit. It just lets you see the > list guy's photos -- and lots of other good ones as well. Google knows where > you are because their GPS monitors your actions. I have an android phone as > well and find that to be a good thing. When I want to drive to Burlngton, > Iowa, Google can tell me exactly how to do that because they know where I am. > When Grace wants to go to McDonalds, I can find the closest one, because > Google knows where I am. They boogey man has yet to show up on my doorstep. > > Paul >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> From: John Sessoms <[email protected]> >> Sent: December 27, 2011 12/27/11 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Bad news for Frank >> >> From: "Bob W" >> >>>> He doesn't worry me. In fact I'm probably the reason he needs two >>>> knarfs. >>>> >>>> I almost downloaded the Google+ app for my android, until I read >>>> the permissions. I stopped at the one where I give the app >>>> permission to track my phone calls, including who I call and for >>>> how long. >>>> >>> it's vitally important that they know this sort of thing, so they can >>> sell you and your friends more useless shit. >> >> >> It's just CYA stuff put in there by the lawyers, intended to head off >> any hypothetical future lawsuits. >> >> How would Google+ know when you want to post something if they don't >> "monitor" your phone activity? Do they listen in and steal your trade >> secrets and shit like that? Or do they just check the headers to see if >> it's meant for them and discard what isn't? >> >> Google+ don't care who you talk to. All they care about is whether >> something you're doing on your phone is meant to go on your Google+ ... >> and not getting sued for any of the technical crap they have to do to >> make that possible. >> >> And "Big Brother" ain't gonna' ask you to agree to TOS. 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