Frank has gmail and an android phone. Google knows everything:-). And he 
probably agreed to similar qualifications when he signed up for gmail. 

On Dec 28, 2011, at 1:34 PM, steve harley wrote:

> on 2011-12-28 05:41 Paul Stenquist wrote
>> Google already knows where you are and what you do since you have their 
>> phone. Joining Google+ doesn't change that one bit.
> 
> Frank wasn't talking about _joining_ Google+, he was talking about the data 
> that the Google+ _app_ says it will collect if he authorizes it on his phone; 
> quite a bit more data than Google can collect if you just use a web browser
> 
> 
>> Google knows where you are because their GPS monitors your actions.
> 
> i think there's some confusing vagueness in the the idea that "Google knows" 
> ... what information is actually collected by Google when you use its maps, 
> versus when you log into a service like Google+, much less use the Google+ 
> app, is rather different; the mapping service doesn't ask permission to track 
> your calls, for example
> 
> i have a relative, not absolute, trust for the tech services i use; true, the 
> cognitive dissonance of both using and being cautious about Google, etc., can 
> lure one to just give up, but resisting the lure makes life interesting
> 
> 
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