Instant rewrite! In *bold dark red*. Sorry. - Best, Ben

Gary F., Tori, list,

I figure that the imperative might be generalizable to vegetable cases if one considers evolution as quasi-mind.

I'll give it a try:
A flower has evolved a certain scent only because it appeals to bees. In evolution's quasi-mind, the objective has determined or influenced the scent, *which* represents the _/general/ _ attracted bee in some sense - *the scent* is an indexical legisign (instantiated in particular cases) of the general attracted bee AS part of a universe of objects needed by the flowering plant and insofar as that universe is determined by the bee being a part of it. Well, that's a case of not so much an imperative as an invitative. But as long as the outcome of the command or invitation is up in the air, they're more like each other, both partaking of a kind of interrogative-imperative, than like a matter-of-fact prescriptive recommendation or 'how-to'.

Generally I'm willing to look at all the four causes as being like each other at various levels. My remarks about the end - i.e. the final cause - as being sometimes 'agent-like' are about its being like an efficient cause. I should have made clearer in my on-list post that agent cause = efficient cause, same idea, two phrases.

Tori, it seems like you're saying that, in biosemiosis, the final causes are the real efficient causes and that the usual so-called efficient causes aren't efficient causes at all. A key question is, does do you regard the semiotic object as the source of semiotic determination?

Best, Ben

On 3/28/2014 8:12 AM, Gary Fuhrman wrote:

[sent yesterday but, accidentally, not to the list]

Ben, if I read this right, it shows that the object of a sign /can/ be an objective, but only in the very special case of an intentional utterance in the imperative mood, such as the officer’s order. More generally, though, the “object” — depending on the analysis — can be an existing thing, or an idea, */or/ * a complex of objects which can be regarded as singular or plural, */or/ * it can be the whole universe from which those particular objects were selected for special attention, e.g. “the Universe of Shakespeare's Creation so far as it is determined by Hamlet being a part of it”, which is the object of the sign “Hamlet was insane”. And I agree that biosemiotic processes, whether behavioral, developmental or evolutionary, are unlikely to confine themselves to the pattern of the imperative mood in linguistic utterances, which (as Peirce points out here) are effective only in the kind of system in which officers give conventional commands and expect them to be obeyed. I doubt that such systems exist at the biological level of semiosis, though they clearly do at the cultural level among social animals such as most primates.

gary f.

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Tori, Gary F., Jon, list,

In one of his "Ground arms!" examples, Peirce says, in, CP 8.178 (CP editors: "Paragraphs 177-185 are from a long manuscript, undated, in Widener IB3a. The references in it indicate that this manuscript is part of a letter, but the extant part contains neither salutation nor signature.") -

    [....] The Object of a Sign may be something to be created by the
    sign. For the Object of "Napoleon" is the Universe of Existence
    so far as it is determined by the fact of Napoleon being a Member
    of it. The Object of the sentence "Hamlet was insane" is the
    Universe of Shakespeare's Creation so far as it is determined by
    Hamlet being a part of it. The Object of the Command "Ground
    arms!" is the immediately subsequent action of the soldiers so
    far as it is affected by the molition expressed in the command.
    It cannot be understood unless collateral observation shows the
    speaker's relation to the rank of soldiers. You may say, if you
    like, that the Object is in the Universe of things desired by the
    Commanding Captain at that moment. Or since the obedience is
    fully expected, it is in the Universe of his expectation. At any
    rate, it determines the Sign although it is to be created by the
    Sign by the circumstance that its Universe is relative to the
    momentary state of mind of the officer.

(Note on "molition": in CP 8.303 Peirce says: "[...] what I call _/Molition/ _, which is volition minus all desire and purpose, the mere consciousness of _/exertion/ _ of any kind.")

There, an end or objective can, through a mind, act like an agent; it is an object in a universe of things desired or expected. Although it is an end, through a mind it works as a beginning, a source, of semiotic and indeed actual determination. One might suppose that in an evolutionary context, something similar could happen with vegetable-level organisms; there the evolutionary process is a quasi-mind through which a general and telical object exerts its influence, instantiated in particular cases with particular objects. I would distinguish _/telos/ _, culmination, as desired object, from entelechy as expected object, but that's just me.

Peirce's other "Ground arms" examples involve the resultant action as the sign's interpretant rather than as the sign's object. I take this to be not an inconsistency but a reflection of a difference of perspective; the resultant action by the soldiers is the command's interpretant (dynamic or energetic) from the perspective of the soldiers.

From a letter dated April 1, 1909 to William James CP 8.315, from the William James collection,

    [....] When the captain of infantry gives the word "Ground arms!"
    the dynamic Interpretant is in the thump of the muskets on the
    ground, or rather it is the Act of their Minds. [....]

In CP 5.473, from "Pragmatism (Editor [3])," c. 1906.

    [....] Suppose, for example, an officer of a squad or company of
    infantry gives the word of command, "Ground arms!" This order is,
    of course, a sign. That thing which causes a sign as such is
    called the _/object/ _ (according to the usage of speech, the
    "real," but more accurately, the _/existent/ _ object)
    represented by the sign: the sign is determined to some species
    of correspondence with that object. In the present case, the
    object the command represents is the will of the officer that the
    butts of the muskets be brought down to the ground. Nevertheless,
    the action of his will upon the sign is not simply dyadic [....]

In CP 5.475, again from "Pragmatism (Editor [3])," c. 1906.

    [....] If a sign produces any further proper significate effect,
    it will do so through the mediation of the emotional
    interpretant, and such further effect will always involve an
    effort. I call it the energetic interpretant. The effort may be a
    muscular one, as it is in the case of the command to ground arms;
    but it is much more usually an exertion upon the Inner World, a
    mental effort. It never can be the meaning of an intellectual
    concept, since it is a single act, [while] such a concept is of a
    general nature. [....]

From the start with Aristotle, a form of a thing was a cause of it simply because it was its form; a natural end likewise; but in the modern perspective this means that even thermodynamic decay is an end and a cause in some Aristotelian sense, and people tend to regard as a final cause something more agentlike, as we see happening via minds and evolution. There is, however, nothing in mental life as we know it to suggest a level where ALL objects, as sources of determination, are really ends or objectives, given that people deal freely with genuinely mechanical causes and others' wills as causes, as well as with special ends whose influence is channeled through desire, expectation, etc., and people generally know the difference(s). Why should we suppose that evolution, as quasi-mind, has taken a narrower path than that with organisms generally? It seems like you're bringing in a pure telicism to compete with pure materialism and mechanism.

Best, Ben

On 3/27/2014 9:09 AM, Gary Fuhrman wrote:


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